Justin Fields or Caleb Williams?

[number51]

Once Moore is taken away who is Fields going to throw to?

He will throw one into your mom.

 

[swerskisuperfan]

Williams has better pocket awareness, much better at going through progressions, is exceptional under pressure (Fields was terrible in college under pressure) and better passing in the short game where Fields struggles.

Williams

Weaknesses​

• Struggled to play within the offense’s timing, sometimes due to poor blocking and other times because he wanted to extend the play for bigger opportunities. Williams must find a better balance when the game flow calls for it.
• Prone to getting happy feet and breaking out of the pocket before it’s necessary.
• Can find a better balance between being a playmaker and taking the easier throw to extend drives. This can become a bigger weakness due to a lack of anticipation or pre-snap understanding of coverages.
• His size is not ideal, lacking height and a fuller frame than his peers.

The biggest area Williams can prove himself is as an anticipatory passer on three- and five-step drops. Riley hasn’t prioritized this because Williams is trusted to be even more effective when breaking the play’s design.

Williams shows good instincts and vision when he plays within the scheme, but I want to see more of it to know whether it’s an actual weakness or something he decides against using more.

Caleb Williams Draft Profile | USC, QB Scouting Report

USC QB Caleb Williams is fighting to become the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. We dive into Williams' scouting report and project his future outlook.

www.profootballnetwork.com

 

[Myk]

personally I don't trust people named Caleb. let's give Fields the rest of the season first.

That's like my issue with Grossman looking like an ex-boss of mine. Was I wrong?

If the Bears have the #1, Poles should be able to get 6 assets. He got 5 in exchange (2, firsts, 2, seconds, and DJ Moore) for Bryce Young but Caleb Williams is significantly more valuable than Bryce. Is something like Fields, 3, first round picks, and 3, 2nd round picks > Caleb Williams? That’s what needs to be weighed.

Also the unknown of any rookie. There are no guarantees. It would be Fields being a mostly known commodity plus what he cost vs an unknown.

There's also 4 years on a rookie contract price vs a 5th option of $23-$38m for Fields or whatever his contract negotiations would end up as.

 

[PrideisBears]

He's not going to keep this up. They've done this before, last year and then they hit the wall again.

It's as if people don't think NFL teams aren't going to make the adjustment to take Moore away.

Once Moore is taken away who is Fields going to throw to?

Last year during the stretch before “they hit the wall” the bears were averaging 25 points a game . Fields accounting for 16 tds himself. I’d go with him throwing to other players on the bears

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Williams has better pocket awareness, much better at going through progressions, is exceptional under pressure (Fields was terrible in college under pressure) and better passing in the short game where Fields struggles.

And still struggles with Arizona last weekend

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

And still struggles with Arizona last weekend

It was one game. The guy has enough good skins on the wall to be afforded a bad game. Even Mahomes does that.

 

[PrideisBears]

Williams

Weaknesses​

• Struggled to play within the offense’s timing, sometimes due to poor blocking and other times because he wanted to extend the play for bigger opportunities. Williams must find a better balance when the game flow calls for it.
• Prone to getting happy feet and breaking out of the pocket before it’s necessary.
• Can find a better balance between being a playmaker and taking the easier throw to extend drives. This can become a bigger weakness due to a lack of anticipation or pre-snap understanding of coverages.
• His size is not ideal, lacking height and a fuller frame than his peers.

The biggest area Williams can prove himself is as an anticipatory passer on three- and five-step drops. Riley hasn’t prioritized this because Williams is trusted to be even more effective when breaking the play’s design.

Williams shows good instincts and vision when he plays within the scheme, but I want to see more of it to know whether it’s an actual weakness or something he decides against using more.

Caleb Williams Draft Profile | USC, QB Scouting Report

USC QB Caleb Williams is fighting to become the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. We dive into Williams' scouting report and project his future outlook.

www.profootballnetwork.com

Literally just read this, I guess Remy is doing the ol eye test or something

 

[Penny Traitor]

I’d go with him throwing to other players on the bears

I mean has he forgotten that Cole Kmet also caught a dozen passes & three TDs the last two weeks as well???

If Mooney gets out of his funk, this could finally morph into real NFL passing game.

 

[THERIOT2]

With a defense that's rebuilt the next Brock Purdy could work. I myself want to see what Bagent can do if Fields were to crash and burn.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Literally just read this, I guess Remy is doing the ol eye test or something

It’s a scouting report written in the summer by some Ian dude.

 

[remydat]

That was more based on the "needs strong coaching/playing hero ball" comments than an actual comparison of two quarterbacks.

Fair enough

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I mean has he forgotten that Cole Kmet also caught a dozen passes & three TDs the last two weeks as well???

If Mooney gets out of his funk, this could finally morph into real NFL passing game.

I know he’s not Kelce but Kmet gets shit on so much.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

It was one game. The guy has enough good skins on the wall to be afforded a bad game. Even Mahomes does that.

My point is that it will probably transfer to the NFL and he will go through his struggles as well. Whether he comes out the other side an elite QB, a good one or doesn't pan out at all isn't a guarantee

 

[Penny Traitor]

I know he’s not Kelce but Kmet gets shit on so much.

The only thing I hate more than Big10 QBs is any player out of Notre Dame, so I really want to hate both Fields & Kmet.

They are winning me over these last couple of weeks, but the doubt in my heart is still creeping.

 

[remydat]

Williams

Weaknesses​

• Struggled to play within the offense’s timing, sometimes due to poor blocking and other times because he wanted to extend the play for bigger opportunities. Williams must find a better balance when the game flow calls for it.
• Prone to getting happy feet and breaking out of the pocket before it’s necessary.
• Can find a better balance between being a playmaker and taking the easier throw to extend drives. This can become a bigger weakness due to a lack of anticipation or pre-snap understanding of coverages.
• His size is not ideal, lacking height and a fuller frame than his peers.

The biggest area Williams can prove himself is as an anticipatory passer on three- and five-step drops. Riley hasn’t prioritized this because Williams is trusted to be even more effective when breaking the play’s design.

Williams shows good instincts and vision when he plays within the scheme, but I want to see more of it to know whether it’s an actual weakness or something he decides against using more.

Caleb Williams Draft Profile | USC, QB Scouting Report

USC QB Caleb Williams is fighting to become the No. 1 overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. We dive into Williams' scouting report and project his future outlook.

www.profootballnetwork.com

No idea who this guy is but report makes no sense when looking at actually data. Williams passer rating under pressure is 110 while Fields was 54.1

The mean difference between the two is Williams extends plays and is consistently successful doing so. Fields main issue is that while he extends plays he hasnt shown in college or the NFL that he can have consistent success doing so hence why his passer rating under pressure sucks. He makes too many mistakes when he extends plays.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

Oh I can dream. If Fields shows he’s the guy, and the Bears Trade down with Carolina’s hopeful #1, and end up with MHJ, Bowers, and a high ceiling, speedy and long edge, like Verse.

That’s only happening if you convince Arizona to give you their 2 1sts next year

 

[The Galloping Ghost]

Mahomes scouting report negatives...

Can be inconsistent in his approach
Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline
Too eager to go big game hunting
Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble
Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm
Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him
Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice
Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet
Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release
Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail
Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls
Carries ball a little low in the pocket
Impatient
Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm
Better as a scrambler than pure runner
Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season


Bust!

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

I know it's irrational, I know he's a good prospect, but all I see is Mitch when I watch him. I have Post Traumatic Mitch Syndrome. I can't get over it.

Scout the player, not the uniform

 

[TezMaKai]

One QB seems to be ascending while the other hasn't looked great recently.

Fields - 617yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 67% against actual NFL teams the last 2 weeks.

Meanwhile Caleb Williams passes for 216 yards and 1 TD, 56% complete against an unranked 3-3 team in the PAC 12.

 

[TezMaKai]

Scout the player, not the uniform

Tell that to the oHiO sTaTe QuArTeRbAcK haters.

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