Justin Fields or Caleb Williams?

[dreadpirateroberts]

This is probably Poles’ last chance to get his guy. He decided to pass on Young/Stroud and give Justin another year. If he decides to go with Justin again and he regresses, I don’t think he’ll be around for Arch Manning lol

 

[PrideisBears]

It’s a scouting report written in the summer by some Ian dude.

Too be fair we rarely have access to nfl scout scouting reports

 

[swerskisuperfan]

Mahomes scouting report negatives...

Can be inconsistent in his approach
Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline
Too eager to go big game hunting
Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble
Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm
Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him
Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice
Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet
Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release
Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail
Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls
Carries ball a little low in the pocket
Impatient
Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm
Better as a scrambler than pure runner
Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season


Bust!

I have watched Williams play numerous times (I doubt many have even seen him play). Everything that makes him great as a college football player are not what people keep saying his strengths are. They tout pocket awareness, timing etc. The dude makes the majority of his plays off script and that is what makes him great as a college QB extending plays, etc. Now maybe he can continue to do that in the NFL ala Mahomes, but I am not betting the farm on it. IMO Maye will have a more successful NFL career.

 

[Myk]

I mean has he forgotten that Cole Kmet also caught a dozen passes & three TDs the last two weeks as well???

If Mooney gets out of his funk, this could finally morph into real NFL passing game.

Realistically Mooney's 1000yd year was a fluke and he's simply a low round WR playing like one. Albeit one good enough to hang in the NFL.
That is our only real hope this year but I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[The Galloping Ghost]

One QB seems to be ascending while the other hasn't looked great recently.

Fields - 617yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 67% against actual NFL teams the last 2 weeks.

Meanwhile Caleb Williams passes for 216 yards and 1 TD, 56% complete against an unranked 3-3 team in the PAC 12.

600+ yards 7 tds(plus 3 rushing) his last two games. But, sure,cherry pick stats if that fits your narrative.

Williams is a rare prospect. This one isn't hard. The only way you think otherwise is if you have an irrational belief in Justin Fields.

Fields needs to play better than he has the last two weeks consistently for the rest of the season to even consider passing on Williams. The numbers the last two.weeks are fluky. Right now, based on his whole career, there are still way to many issues.

I know some of you desperately want Fields to be the answer. He needs to actually do it week in and week out.

 

[greg23]

Lots of assumptions in here

Based on a full body of work (not the most recent 8 quarters of football) Fields is still a bottom 10ish qb.

IF he produces and plays the way he has over the past 8 quarters for almost EVERY game the next 3 months THEN there will be a decision to be made (and likely only if the Bears have pick 1 or 2).

An additional item to consider is that if he continues his play/growth; he will want to be paid (or bears could tag) and his salary would jump drastically in 2025 vs a new 1st round qb on a rookie contract until 2028.

 

[TezMaKai]

600+ yards 7 tds(plus 3 rushing) his last two games. But, sure,cherry pick stats if that fits your narrative.

Williams is a rare prospect. This one isn't hard. The only way you think otherwise is if you have an irrational belief in Justin Fields.

Fields needs to play better than he has the last two weeks consistently for the rest of the season to even consider passing on Williams. The numbers the last two.weeks are fluky. Right now, based on his whole career, there are still way to many issues.

I know some of you desperately want Fields to be the answer. He needs to actually do it week in and week out.

How is that cherry picking? I explicitly stated that recently Fields has looked good against actual NFL defenses while Caleb Williams has looked not so great against an unranked PAC 12 squad.

"Cherry picking" would be picking random games that were not recent.

I.e "Fields looks good because of his performance against Pittsburgh and Miami" would be Cherry picking as neither are recent.

Using the most recent games for Fields is not cherry picking especially since the NFL is known to be a "what have you done for me lately" business.

 

[Enasic]

Fans underrate Maye. Both of these guys look great.

They’re both great prospects. And I agree that Maye is underrated. He’s playing great and is in a much worse situation than Caleb IMO

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Lots of assumptions in here

Based on a full body of work (not the most recent 8 quarters of football) Fields is still a bottom 10ish qb.

IF he produces and plays the way he has over the past 8 quarters for almost EVERY game the next 3 months THEN there will be a decision to be made (and likely only if the Bears have pick 1 or 2).

An additional item to consider is that if he continues his play/growth; he will want to be paid (or bears could tag) and his salary would jump drastically in 2025 vs a new 1st round qb on a rookie contract until 2028.

The stats say otherwise. Bottom 10? Delusional

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

I’ve liked what I’ve seen the last two games, but it’s definitely too early to appoint him the future. He played two bad defenses. Let’s see how he does the rest of the year.

Let’s say you go with Justin and decide to trade down. Can you get Arizona’s two first round picks next year or do a Moore type deal with Vegas for Crosby and picks? If you got the 2 1sts from Arizona, could you come out with MHJ, Jer’Zhan Newton, and a LT/DE?

Let’s say you decide to trade Justin and reset the rookie clock. Could you get a 2024 1st for Justin from Atlanta or Washington? Could you end up Caleb/Maye, MHJ, and a DL? Lots of scenarios that could happen.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

All of that remains to be seen. I'm keen on Williams for sure. But Rex and Fields are two totally different animals. But you keep banging that drum. You're also kinda all over place. As one of maybe 3 people on the planet not impressed with Williams skillet but know your calling for it. I get that he didn't have an amazing showing vs your team. But ive seen you question shit like his ball velocity, said no one ever. Frankly its absurd.

Lastly, Brett. Being in your late 30s Early 40s and having a bit on the Internet is some of the saddest shit I can imagine. Talk about the opposite of evolving as a human. There was a time (even though you've always been a douche canoe) that it was fun to actually talk ball with you.

You don't seem to understand the context of the poll question. The poll question is stick with Justin Fields or go with Caleb Williams. I'd rather go with Williams.

Just because I want to take a shot with Williams doesn't mean I can't evaluate him as a prospect.

I haven't said a damn thing hypocritical so I don't know why you're so bent out of shape like I have?

Lastly if Williams is the generational talent they say he is then I'd rather take the chance of being wrong with my opinion of him and trusting the opinion of the experts. The two aren't mutually exclusive here.

Maybe if you'd take a timeout from being so angry with me all the damn time we could go back to talking ball.

 

[PrideisBears]

600+ yards 7 tds(plus 3 rushing) his last two games. But, sure,cherry pick stats if that fits your narrative.

Williams is a rare prospect. This one isn't hard. The only way you think otherwise is if you have an irrational belief in Justin Fields.

Fields needs to play better than he has the last two weeks consistently for the rest of the season to even consider passing on Williams. The numbers the last two.weeks are fluky. Right now, based on his whole career, there are still way to many issues.

I know some of you desperately want Fields to be the answer. He needs to actually do it week in and week out.

Every QB is a rare product at this point

Young was
Lawrence was
Burrow
Fucking Kyler Murray

At some point it’s time to stop with these arbitrary ass labels for these QBs. Besides burrow who had that year they went to the SB none of these QBs are playing like “generational QBs”( he’s been bad this year) It’s just something people keep throwing around for no reason. Football is the ultimate team sport and these “generational QBs” y’all keep exclaiming are are in fact still human. You need a ton of factors for QBs to succeed in the NFL so just dumping a QB you don’t like for a shiny new QB makes zero sense especially if this QB is improving.

 

[PrideisBears]

You don't seem to understand the context of the poll question. The poll question is stick with Justin Fields or go with Caleb Williams. I'd rather go with Williams.

Just because I want to take a shot with Williams doesn't mean I can't evaluate him as a prospect.

I haven't said a damn thing hypocritical so I don't know why you're so bent out of shape like I have?

Lastly if Williams is the generational talent they say he is then I'd rather take the chance of being wrong with my opinion of him and trusting the opinion of the experts. The two aren't mutually exclusive here.

Maybe if you'd take a timeout from being so angry with me all the damn time we could go back to talking ball.

Holy fuck

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Every QB is a rare product at this point

Young was
Lawrence was
Burrow
Fucking Kyler Murray

At some point it’s time to stop with these arbitrary ass labels for these QBs. Besides burrow who had that year they went to the SB none of these QBs are playing like “generational QBs”( he’s been bad this year) It’s just something people keep throwing around for no reason. Football is the ultimate team sport and these “generational QBs” y’all keep exclaiming are are in fact still human. You need a ton of factors for QBs to succeed in the NFL so just dumping a QB you don’t like for a shiny new QB makes zero sense especially if this QB is improving.

essentially throwing out a plant that's started to grow to replant a seed and hope it grows taller

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

I honestly don't get the Caleb hype, but I am not pretending to be a QB guru.

I keep Justin Fields and trade down again to set the franchise up with a ridiculous amount of draft picks to build back a real defense.

If the Bears cannot develop Justin Fields, they ain't doing any better with Williams or Maye. Find yourself a steady vet quarterback that can do just enough not to lose games and go back to the Super Bowl the only way this team knows how. Soul crushing defense and a top rushing offense.

It is a red flag for me that he’s demanding shit before even being drafted. He may be a great athlete but it also feels like he’s going to be a drama queen.

 

[PrideisBears]

It is a red flag for me that he’s demanding shit before even being drafted. He may be a great athlete but it also feels like he’s going to be a drama queen.

I heard that was a false rumor

 

[Spitta Andretti]

It is a red flag for me that he’s demanding shit before even being drafted. He may be a great athlete but it also feels like he’s going to be a drama queen.

His dad seems like a dick too

"The system is completely backwards. The way the system is constructed, you go to the worst possible situation. The worst possible team, the worst organization in the league—because of their desire for parity—gets the first pick. So it's the gift and the curse."

"I mean, I've talked to Archie Manning -- his career was shot because he went to a horrible organization," the elder Williams added. "I've talked to Lincoln, and Kyler struggled because of where he was drafted [by the Arizona Cardinals]. Baker struggled mightily because of where he was drafted [by the Cleveland Browns]. The organizations matters. ... He's got two shots at the apple. So if there's not a good situation, the truth is, he can come back to school."

 

[PrideisBears]

essentially throwing out a plant that's started to grow to replant a seed and hope it grows taller

Generational seed though. It might grow just as tall and rapid as the other plant but you can name this one generational

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Generational seed though. It might grow just as tall and rapid as the other plant but you can name this one generational

doesn't guarantee a generational plant though. i still think justin is growing as well so it'll be a much clearer picture by the end of the season

 

[dabears70]

Can someone tell this fat fuck that Trevor Lawrence did not have a good first season