Keto and Intermittent Fasting

[didshereallysaythat]

https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/public/dont-do-intermittent-fasting.cfm

Listen to this guy. Natural body builder that never took steroids that tells you the truth.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

O'h so true. My wifes friend is very materialistic. Has every designer piece of clothing for every part of her body.
Good thing her husband has the bucks.

I beg the wife to buy clothes or exspensive makeup. She's the farthest thing from being materialistic.
But like just yesterday i received a package in the mail that she bought for me . I am Lucky/

My wife isn't too over the top. Atleast she usually waits for the sales at her favorite store - Nordstroms

 

[Fatman LOU]

My wife isn't too over the top. Atleast she usually waits for the sales at her favorite store - Nordstroms

My wifes favorite store is Dollar General ,ha ha ha .

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Let's just compare the US to Japan because that is the country that I am mainly talking about. China, Vietnam, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines all do not eat as healthy as Japan although they eat better than the US.

When you dumb it down, Japan has lower obesity (the lowest in the world) while the US has a high rate of obesity. Japan eats a lot more rice than the US. Japan has a higher life expectancy than the US. Japan has a lower rate of cardiovascular disease than the US. Both countries have a high rate of diabetes. I think it would be easy for one to use critical thinking to determine which country of the 2 has more diabetes due to genetics and which is due to lifestyle.

All one need do is look at the high infant mortality rate in the US and the low infant mortality rate in Japan to see why they have a 3 or 4 year edge in life expectancy.
Infant mortality in US nearly 3 times more than in Japan. US murder rate waaaaaaay higher than Japan also. And why exclude the overwhelming majority of Asia, that also has a diet high in rice, just to look at Japan anyway?

Already pointed to the fact there is a direct correlation between high rice consumption and diabetes. Rice has no redeeming nutritional value, no cause to attempt to defend it so vigorously.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/public/dont-do-intermittent-fasting.cfm

Listen to this guy. Natural body builder that never took steroids that tells you the truth.

Yeah, now I’m gonna listen to a meathead bodybuilder who claims to have never taken steroids. Lmao.

Think about serious pro bodybuilders is their health in the long term is very bad due to not only the heavy steroid use but constant abuse of their hormones.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

All one need do is look at the high infant mortality rate in the US and the low infant mortality rate in Japan to see why they have a 3 or 4 year edge in life expectancy.
Infant mortality in US nearly 3 times more than in Japan. US murder rate waaaaaaay higher than Japan also. And why exclude the overwhelming majority of Asia, that also has a diet high in rice, just to look at Japan anyway?

Already pointed to the fact there is a direct correlation between high rice consumption and diabetes. Rice has no redeeming nutritional value, no cause to attempt to defend it so vigorously.

Those other countries like Vietnam which I have been to who also have a very low obesity rate (due to the foods they eat) end up not having as high as a life expectancy due to worse health care.

It's so blatantly obvious that people in general live healthier lifestyles in Japan than the US. You can't even lie to yourself on this one.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Keto and Intermittent Fasting

No i wasnt making a claim her eating habits give her a higher life expectancy, i was just sharing what her and her family usually ate in reference to diabetes.
I wasnt aware of the life expectancy in the Philippines and neither is the wife. Wifes Grandfather just died at 85
Grandmother died early but it was from chewing tobacco leaves, lol.

No, I wasn’t referencing you about the life expectancy thing. That other guy tried to link life expectancy to diet. And I wish my wife’s favorite store was the dollar store. She likes the “good stuff” and name brands and what not. [emoji23]

 

[nvanprooyen]

I didn't mean stop counting calories because it's a pain in the ass. Easy enough to download an app that will count them for you. I meant stop counting calories cause you know the conventional thinking concerning calorie counting is not based in reality. This conventional thinking never took into account the type food being taken in and the fact the body digests different types of food and macros differently and different types food also have a very different effect on insulin. Some food is also just more satiating which is going to help anyone eat less while other food is just far more likely to be stored as fat and cause more hunger.

I did read your previous post and certainly don't want to attack what has obviously worked well for you at this point. It is obviously a better diet than the American standard with more thought put into it. Just a couple exceptions I would note. While I would agree lots of lean meat and vegetables (mostly green leafy) are a good thing, I'd say a lot of fruit is not. Fructose is digested differently than other food in the body. It goes straight to the liver and only a small amount can be taken in before being stored as fat. I think fruits have been talked up more than they should ever have been as most are very high in this sugar that is more likely to be stored as fat. Would make an exception for the keto super food, avocado, which is much higher in healthy fats and fiber than any net carbs. Conventional thinking would have people reach for a sugar filled banana in search for their potassium while the much healthier alternative would be the avocado which contains a tiny fraction of the carbs and even much more of the potassium. Not saying fruits need be avoided altogether, but they should certainly be limited to about 1 serving a day with the more sugar filled ones being avoided more often than not. Only other exception I saw from that post would be the whole grains. Would make sense to think of whole grains being a healthier option than refined grains but the whole grains are not so whole and still bring lots of carbs, whereas the FDA says grain that is 51% whole can be called whole grain. So, still, whole grains are more processed than they should be and something I see that should be severely limited if not avoided altogether.

Still, congrats on your gains and success with what you've been doing. Just providing some more food for thought.

Yeah. Point of clarification - I probably should have said "lots of vegetables, and 1-2 servings of fruit / day" instead of lumping them together.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Yeah, now I’m gonna listen to a meathead bodybuilder who claims to have never taken steroids. Lmao.

Think about serious pro bodybuilders is their health in the long term is very bad due to not only the heavy steroid use but constant abuse of their hormones.

This article isn't for you. It's for the people who might read this thread and create their own opinion and not waste time and money on a diet that isn't for them. You already made your opinion.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

This article isn't for you. It's for the people who might read this thread and create their own opinion and not waste time and money on a diet that isn't for them. You already made your opinion.

And I should probably expound on it for these others you speak of. Of course when you build freakishly large muscles, there will be more room to store carbs before it is stored as fat. Their are many problems with doing this though. First, real pro body builders can’t possibly compete without abusing steroids. Second. The heavy excess of extra weight, even when from mainly muscle, puts undue and unwarranted added strain on your organs. Third, bodybuilders not only inject steroids into themselves but will also inject insulin into themselves in an effort to send more glycogen to their muscles. This is an unnatural abuse of this hormone and throws the body’s hormones out of whack.

When Arnold Schwarzenegger competed as a bodybuilder, he would drop a lot of weight when he had no competitions coming up, cause he said he knew it was not good for his body to continuously carry that extra weight. Any halfway honest pro bodybuilder will tell you when it comes to health, they are in it for the very short run , not the long run.

 

[Novak]

This article isn't for you. It's for the people who might read this thread and create their own opinion and not waste time and money on a diet that isn't for them. You already made your opinion.

No one on here is some freaked out body builder.

Essentially, your article was for no one.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Those other countries like Vietnam which I have been to who also have a very low obesity rate (due to the foods they eat) end up not having as high as a life expectancy due to worse health care.

It's so blatantly obvious that people in general live healthier lifestyles in Japan than the US. You can't even lie to yourself on this one.

Not sure it’s blatantly obvious Japan lives a healthier life style but even if they did it has nothing to do with them consuming rice, which has been shown to tremendously increase the risk of diabetes. Better than US more likely because the general population does a lot more walking and is less sedentary.

As far as their life expectancy being 3 or 4 more years than the US, the far more telling factors I’ve already pointed out more than compensate for that difference so maybe we should ask why Americans live as long or longer than these super healthy Japanese when discounting the infant mortality and murder rates.

 

[nvanprooyen]

No one on here is some freaked out body builder.

Essentially, your article was for no one.

While no one here is likely a freaked out bodybuilder, hypertrophy may very well be a goal for people here...and if you want to put on some lean muscle mass / drop body fat %, Tom Venuto is a guy worth listening to.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

And I should probably expound on it for these others you speak of. Of course when you build freakishly large muscles, there will be more room to store carbs before it is stored as fat. Their are many problems with doing this though. First, real pro body builders can’t possibly compete without abusing steroids. Second. The heavy excess of extra weight, even when from mainly muscle, puts undue and unwarranted added strain on your organs. Third, bodybuilders not only inject steroids into themselves but will also inject insulin into themselves in an effort to send more glycogen to their muscles. This is an unnatural abuse of this hormone and throws the body’s hormones out of whack.

When Arnold Schwarzenegger competed as a bodybuilder, he would drop a lot of weight when he had no competitions coming up, cause he said he knew it was not good for his body to continuously carry that extra weight. Any halfway honest pro bodybuilder will tell you when it comes to health, they are in it for the very short run , not the long run.

If you researched the author, you would see that he competed in natural bodybuilder competitions. Meaning steroids and any other HGH was banned. I have been following that guy for over a decade. He has said the same stuff for years and years. His inner circle has thousands of members who post real pictures of themselves who have followed his advice. Real life people that went from fat to extremely fit. This guy knows his stuff.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

No one on here is some freaked out body builder.

Essentially, your article was for no one.

Just because the author is a natural bodybuilder, doesn't mean his advice is for bodybuilders. READ THE ARTICLE.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Not sure it’s blatantly obvious Japan lives a healthier life style but even if they did it has nothing to do with them consuming rice, which has been shown to tremendously increase the risk of diabetes. Better than US more likely because the general population does a lot more walking and is less sedentary.

As far as their life expectancy being 3 or 4 more years than the US, the far more telling factors I’ve already pointed out more than compensate for that difference so maybe we should ask why Americans live as long or longer than these super healthy Japanese when discounting the infant mortality and murder rates.

Americans don't live longer than them even if you took out your compensating factors. Go do research. Are you seriously trying to say that being obese doesn't reduce life expectancy?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

While no one here is likely a freaked out bodybuilder, hypertrophy may very well be a goal for people here...and if you want to put on some lean muscle mass / drop body fat %, Tom Venuto is a guy worth listening to.

Been following him for a long time. He has always been a "no shortcuts, no BS, no excuses" type. He gives reasons why he thinks certain diets should be used with caution and always sites sources when he calls out lies marketing companies try to tell people to buy into those diets and supplements. In his book which I purchased, he talks about goal setting and how to motivate. He is in it to help every day people. Whether their goal is to just be healthier, get in better shape, or even compete at a bodybuilder level. I have learned a lot from him.

 

[nvanprooyen]

Been following him for a long time. He has always been a "no shortcuts, no BS, no excuses" type. He gives reasons why he thinks certain diets should be used with caution and always sites sources when he calls out lies marketing companies try to tell people to buy into those diets and supplements. In his book which I purchased, he talks about goal setting and how to motivate. He is in it to help every day people. Whether their goal is to just be healthier, get in better shape, or even compete at a bodybuilder level. I have learned a lot from him.

Yep. I've always appreciated his stuff. Lyle McDonald (although often a gigantic asshole) has also put out some great no BS stuff as well. Although I really haven't read anything in years. Just been getting back into it after a long layoff.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Yep. I've always appreciated his stuff. Lyle McDonald (although often a gigantic asshole) has also put out some great no BS stuff as well. Although I really haven't read anything in years. Just been getting back into it after a long layoff.

I got one of his short ebooks a few years ago called The Ultimate Diet. Might have been a 2nd or 3rd edition. Basically, talked about an extreme carb cycling program to use for a few weeks or so to lose that last 10 lbs. Also the right workout to use, pumps for depletion, power for carb refeed, etc. I thought it helped me break a plateau.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Americans don't live longer than them even if you took out your compensating factors. Go do research. Are you seriously trying to say that being obese doesn't reduce life expectancy?

Of course those factors make all the difference. What brings down an average faster than small numbers? Again, the rate of infant mortality in the US is nearly 3 times more than that of Japan. Don’t see how you’re missing the significance of that when speaking of average life expectancy. That 1 fact, in itself, would be enough to more than compensate the difference. Now add the fact there is a way higher number of murders in the US than in Japan.

Diabetes correlates with obesity and Asian countries contribute more than 60% of world’s diabetics. It’s really that simple. Fat fat or skinny fat no matter. They’re not in as great shape as carb advocates like to paint them with that broad brush.