Keto and Intermittent Fasting

[bertha]

interesting thread, I have the same question

 

[TL1961]

Married a Vietnamese girl. So true about the loyalty and family virtues. You are lucky with the high maintenance not being an issue though. A lot of Asians like to buy expensive clothes, cars, furniture, etc.

As opposed to American women?

 

[TL1961]

I don't question whether bodybuilders have methods for losing weight and/or keeping it off.

I just think they are the farthest thing from the average person, and therefore their methods won't work for those of us not literally obsessed with working out and with diet.

I am looking to lose weight, and i certainly need to be in better shape and adopt a better lifestyle. But living in the gym and swallowing supplements for meals is not for everyone, and is far from healthy long term.

I am far from an expert on nutrition, diets, workouts, etc. and would never claim to be. But I think bodybuilders are about as far from the mainstream as one can get.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Of course those factors make all the difference. What brings down an average faster than small numbers? Again, the rate of infant mortality in the US is nearly 3 times more than that of Japan. Don’t see how you’re missing the significance of that when speaking of average life expectancy. That 1 fact, in itself, would be enough to more than compensate the difference. Now add the fact there is a way higher number of murders in the US than in Japan.

Diabetes correlates with obesity and Asian countries contribute more than 60% of world’s diabetics. It’s really that simple. Fat fat or skinny fat no matter. They’re not in as great shape as carb advocates like to paint them with that broad brush.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

In 2017, the US was at 5.8 and Japan was at 2.0 (per 1000 births)

2 of the factors that can contribute to this are obese mothers who are more likely to have problems with the birth and teenage unplanned pregnancies which can statistically lead to premature babies.

The US live expectancy is 80.1 years
The US population is 329 million
Birth rate is 12.4 births per 1000 (around 4 million births per year)

If an extra 3.8 out of 1000 that died didn't (matching Japan at 2.0) and lived full lives to Japan's 85.5 life expectancy, that would be an extra 15,200 people living to 85.5 instead of 0.

All of this would add 3 one thousands of a percentage point to the life expectancy. Meaning, Japan still wins by over 5 years.

All these numbers can be found on that same site if you search by country.

Well, that is that.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

As opposed to American women?

They are higher maintenance in a different way. Like they need to always be the center of attention.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I don't question whether bodybuilders have methods for losing weight and/or keeping it off.

I just think they are the farthest thing from the average person, and therefore their methods won't work for those of us not literally obsessed with working out and with diet.

I am looking to lose weight, and i certainly need to be in better shape and adopt a better lifestyle. But living in the gym and swallowing supplements for meals is not for everyone, and is far from healthy long term.

I am far from an expert on nutrition, diets, workouts, etc. and would never claim to be. But I think bodybuilders are about as far from the mainstream as one can get.

Tom Venuto's book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle" is a great book to read regarding getting in shape. Yes, he is a bodybuilder. His book though is not necessarily for those people. The last chapter of the book is for those looking to take that next step. 95% of the book is for the average person. I recommend it.

 

[Urblock]

interesting thread, I have the same question

Dog that lives next to us is named Bertha. Mean *****. Rango loves her.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Dog that lives next to us is named Bertha. Mean *****. Rango loves her.

So she puts out for Rango.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Tom Venuto's book "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle" is a great book to read regarding getting in shape. Yes, he is a bodybuilder. His book though is not necessarily for those people. The last chapter of the book is for those looking to take that next step. 95% of the book is for the average person. I recommend it.

I'm guessing you brought him up cause, being a bodybuilder, he pushes heavy carbs and frequent meals. Can ya give a synopsis of the book?

 

[Fatman LOU]

I like this guy. He might do steroids i dont know. I dont care that's his choice. I like his message. I havent made it back to the gym yet like i wanted ,.......soon.

https://youtu.be/i6p6yzxB3_8

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I like this guy. He might do steroids i dont know. I dont care that's his choice. I like his message. I havent made it back to the gym yet like i wanted ,.......soon.

https://youtu.be/i6p6yzxB3_8

Corn on the cob? C'mon, man!

 

[Fatman LOU]

Corn on the cob? C'mon, man!

I'ts his message i like. Why do you complicate this?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I'ts his message i like. Why do you complicate this?

I must. Corn is not keto and ranks real high on that most likely to be GMO food list. How can you talk about eating clean food while peeling your corn on the cob and saying how much you love it?

 

[Fatman LOU]

I must. Corn is not keto and ranks real high on that most likely to be GMO food list. How can you talk about eating clean food while peeling your corn on the cob and saying how much you love it?

Yes you are right. This is a keto thread. My apologies.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Yes you are right. This is a keto thread. My apologies.

I forgive you. Back in the pre-GMO, pre-keto and pre old age for me days, I used to like to put corn on top of my mashed potatoes, then melt a big slab of butter on it all and feast. Ahh, to be young and innocent again.

I think I eat better now than I used to but still know it could be cleaner. I'm left to wonder, is it even possible to eat clean in this country anymore?

 

[TL1961]

It is not easy.

I think one real simple statement, when discussing food, is that when you go to the grocery store, "stick to the perimeter". It seems so obvious, but I get to the point now in looking down the aisles wondering "What could I want in there that is OK to eat?" Canned, processed, full of sugars and preservatives....I am the farthest thing from a health nut/nutritionist, but when I get going right, I start to think about how bad all that crap is. Canned, frozen...try to find anything not loaded with crap.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

It is not easy.

I think one real simple statement, when discussing food, is that when you go to the grocery store, "stick to the perimeter". It seems so obvious, but I get to the point now in looking down the aisles wondering "What could I want in there that is OK to eat?" Canned, processed, full of sugars and preservatives....I am the farthest thing from a health nut/nutritionist, but when I get going right, I start to think about how bad all that crap is. Canned, frozen...try to find anything not loaded with crap.

Even when "shopping the parameters" as they say, cage free sounds nice but doesn't really mean shit. Grass fed sounds great but, way more likely, that cow was just fed some grass on his way to a feeding lot where he fed on gmo corn for 99.9% of its life. Words like "whole" take on new meaning when you learn 51% is enough to call it "whole". And who really can trust that the organic food ya buy is really "organic" and not just a means to jack up the price?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

nvm

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I'm guessing you brought him up cause, being a bodybuilder, he pushes heavy carbs and frequent meals. Can ya give a synopsis of the book?

He used to push frequent meals, 6 a day. However, the science started to indicate that it was no longer necessary as once thought. So, he says to eat as often as you like. What you can stick to. Same with macros. You want to be a keto guy? Go for it. You want 60% carbs? Go for it. His base recommendation that he likes is 40-40-30.

The great thing about Tom Venuto is he doesn't follow the trends. He goes based on what works based on science and documentation and he calls out people that make false claims. So he isn't necessarily against Keto or IT. He is against the false claims people make for WHY it works. Not that it does work.

 

[nvanprooyen]

I hope you all get to your goals with these keto diets. But for long term health, I believe something more along the lines of the Mediterranean diet (and more importantly its general principles) is a more reasonable approach. Although I wouldn't use the word "diet". I hate that word. It's more about a lifestyle change than anything.

Anyways, maybe something to consider when you drop the initial weight and are looking for something more sustainable over the long term.


Good luck bros!