Keto and Intermittent Fasting

[didshereallysaythat]

But I've literally ate a **** ton of carbs while staying under a certain amount of calories and lost weight. It works. Eating less than your body needs = weight loss. It's literal science.

Exactly. The energy balance has literally been proven in a lab. It's as much of a given as the sun coming up tomorrow. It's as constant as gravity.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Yeah, it works. Wouldn't it be nice though to have a brand new lifestyle that incorporates foods you can stick to eating "even when traveling" so you can be at the proper weight year round? Wouldn't you consider that "working better"?

You can't stick to meat, eggs, vegetables, certain fruits, nuts, water and/or other sugar free drinks and the like? Your body was built to maintain proper weight. Just needs to be afforded the opportunity to perform as designed to.

 

[TL1961]

If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. It's not complicated.

No, it is not complicated.

But the part that is being missed, or dismissed, is that the "calories out" part of "Calories in/Calories out", is not based solely on physical activity. The "calories out" depends quite a bit on the makeup of the "Calories in". That, too, is simple.

All other factors being equal, if two people both eat 2000 calories per day for the next 30 days, but Person A gets those calories from red meat and eggs, and Person B gets them from pasta, Person A will lose much more weight.

We are not arguing that more calories won't be burned than taken in by someone losing weight. We are pointing out that not all calories are equal.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

No it's not. People not working out and or eating terrible made them fat. Stop with the excuses.

People haven't worked out for the overwhelming part of man's existence and obesity was never a problem until now and since low-fat, overly processed foods and frequent meals started being pushed in the 70s.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

But I've literally ate a **** ton of carbs while staying under a certain amount of calories and lost weight. It works. Eating less than your body needs = weight loss. It's literal science.

You starved yourself and now if you want to maintain you'll have to starve yourself more. I'll eat all I want and never have a problem again. I've already experienced this effect. Science is on my side. You have nothing but proven lies to cling to.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

You starved yourself and now if you want to maintain you'll have to starve yourself more. I'll eat all I want and never have a problem again. I've already experienced this effect. Science is on my side. You have nothing but proven lies to cling to.

Lmao what? I stopped IF and lost weight too. I eat whenever I want to and gain/lose weight depending on what my goal is. Post a picture of your physique to prove it if you're such a success as you claim to be.

 

[TL1961]

Yeah, it works. Wouldn't it be nice though to have a brand new lifestyle that incorporates foods you can stick to eating "even when traveling" so you can be at the proper weight year round? Wouldn't you consider that "working better"?

I spent 7-8 years maintaining the same weight. This past year or two, I ate a lot more pizza in an office with a pizza kitchen and not a lot of places to get lunch nearby. I also was by myself, and drank beer many weeknights, which is not what I normally do at home. Yes, if I avoided the beer, I would have gained less weight. That has nothing to do with the meals. Stress played a lrge part in my eating and drinking habits recently, which was not always the case.

Isn't changing what I eat "adopting a new lifestyle"?

I am not trying to be a smart aleck at all, but why is it that if I don't adopt the exact lifestyle that you have adopted, you have a problem with it, and argue that it is not working?

This is like arguing climate change. Why on earth are people so hell bent on denying it?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Saw this video several months ago, after I had already had great success with keto/IF. It makes perfect sense from a guy who understands it all a lot more than any here. He oversimplifies, yes, but judging from the responses here, many need it oversimplified.

[video=youtube;tIuj-oMN-Fk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk[/video]

 

[TL1961]

This is getting to be like the binary political arguments where people can see no in between.

It seems that if someone here lost weight without doing Keto, they think that has to mean Keto does not work.

I said Keto works for me, and have never, ever said it is the absolute only thing that could ever work for anyone, yet some here seem to be "denying Keto" by saying "I lost weight while eating some carbs".

Yes, if you starve yourself calorie wise, you will lose weight. Like Marie Osmond does. And Oprah. And guess what?

 

[Mitchapalooza]

This is getting to be like the binary political arguments where people can see no in between.

It seems that if someone here lost weight without doing Keto, they think that has to mean Keto does not work.

I said Keto works for me, and have never, ever said it is the absolute only thing that could ever work for anyone, yet some here seem to be "denying Keto" by saying "I lost weight while eating some carbs".

Yes, if you starve yourself calorie wise, you will lose weight. Like Marie Osmond does. And Oprah. And guess what?

I'm not denying Keto works though. Just arguing to Spartan that it's not the end all be all like he claims it to be. And that calorie deficit is how you lose weight.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I'm not denying Keto works though. Just arguing to Spartan that it's not the end all be all like he claims it to be. And that calorie deficit is how you lose weight.

I don't think keto is the end all. I think if we feast and fast as we were intended to do, everything falls into place. There's other diets that look to be healthy like the Mediterranean diet. Atkins is ok as it came from keto. Paleo makes wiser food choices that cuts down on carbs and emphasizes good whole foods. Where Keto gets the edge, IMO, is it's the only one that takes overall health into concern. It's the one that was first used and known as a medical treatment to fight disease and experiments are ongoing to use it in fighting a variety of disease and illness. It's the one that works synergistically with our body's own way of normalizing/healing itself.

 

[TL1961]

No it's not. People not working out and or eating terrible made them fat. Stop with the excuses.

I see a lot of fat people on treadmills.

 

[nvanprooyen]

I see a lot of fat people on treadmills.

That's mostly because slow state cardio is actually terrible for weight loss in terms of efficiency. Hell, even good exercise protocol is not going to get you far if your diet sucks. Nutrition is 80% of it, at least. As the saying goes...you can't outrun your fork. Abs are made in the kitchen is another one.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

You can't stick to meat, eggs, vegetables, certain fruits, nuts, water and/or other sugar free drinks and the like? Your body was built to maintain proper weight. Just needs to be afforded the opportunity to perform as designed to.

TL couldn't. He just admitted it. Maybe if he tried eating a balanced nutrition and with cheat meals sprinkled in small amounts, he could.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

No, it is not complicated.

But the part that is being missed, or dismissed, is that the "calories out" part of "Calories in/Calories out", is not based solely on physical activity. The "calories out" depends quite a bit on the makeup of the "Calories in". That, too, is simple.

All other factors being equal, if two people both eat 2000 calories per day for the next 30 days, but Person A gets those calories from red meat and eggs, and Person B gets them from pasta, Person A will lose much more weight.

We are not arguing that more calories won't be burned than taken in by someone losing weight. We are pointing out that not all calories are equal.

Depends on the person IMO. Ectomorphs for example need lots of carbs to gain muscle.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

That's mostly because slow state cardio is actually terrible for weight loss in terms of efficiency. Hell, even good exercise protocol is not going to get you far if your diet sucks. Nutrition is 80% of it, at least. As the saying goes...you can't outrun your fork. Abs are made in the kitchen is another one.

Can't outwork a bad diet.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

People haven't worked out for the overwhelming part of man's existence and obesity was never a problem until now and since low-fat, overly processed foods and frequent meals started being pushed in the 70s.

Because back then, they didn't have cars to drive them everywhere so they got exercise with most transportation. Also, there was a lot less processed food which meant less calories overall.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

You starved yourself and now if you want to maintain you'll have to starve yourself more. I'll eat all I want and never have a problem again. I've already experienced this effect. Science is on my side. You have nothing but proven lies to cling to.

I hope you never want to eat pizza or ice cream again.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I spent 7-8 years maintaining the same weight. This past year or two, I ate a lot more pizza in an office with a pizza kitchen and not a lot of places to get lunch nearby. I also was by myself, and drank beer many weeknights, which is not what I normally do at home. Yes, if I avoided the beer, I would have gained less weight. That has nothing to do with the meals. Stress played a lrge part in my eating and drinking habits recently, which was not always the case.

Isn't changing what I eat "adopting a new lifestyle"?

I am not trying to be a smart aleck at all, but why is it that if I don't adopt the exact lifestyle that you have adopted, you have a problem with it, and argue that it is not working?

This is like arguing climate change. Why on earth are people so hell bent on denying it?

I am the one saying to do what works. Spartan is the all be end all about IF and keto.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I hope you never want to eat pizza or ice cream again.

I can do that with no problem as long as I do IF. I did it a few times with ice cream this past summer with no setback. I'm putting all the emphasis on IF cause that's how our body was designed to work. Keto amplifies it but IF will still work on it's own cause it follows the way the body was designed to normalize itself.