Keto and Intermittent Fasting

[Novak]

Want the study citations?

And calorie in vs calorie out is base level science for weight loss. If you can disprove it you've disproved a core tenant of science in the known universe. So please cite your work and go get your Nobel Prize.

I'm out of touch with my body? I'm a competitive distance runner and have been for the last 16 years and have my own trainer and dietitian. I've maintained consistent training, power, and race season weights for the last decade. If you do I F or Keto, cool. But it's not magic. It's pretty basic. it's just different variations of a calorie cut. Spartan himself said he only east 2k-3k calories a day. Plus exercise. No shit he's losing weight.

My offseason calorie intake is roughly 1900-2000 calories a day(IIRC this offseason it's 1960 calories). I'm a lot more lift heavy this time of year so I'm not taking in more calories than I would during my more intense training periods when my running is a higher volume/intensity. I'll peak during the summer around 2800 calories a day, maybe 3400 on really intense tempo days but I'm also mixing in different macros etc based on what my body is needing to heal on a daily basis.

Study citations of IF and Keto being "bullshit"? Sure? I can link you just as many that say otherwise.

I don't care about whatever fake accolades you say you have. "Competitive distance runner", LMAO.. I cant think of a more irrelevant thing to thump your chest about. Your head is literally shaped like a penis from the pic i saw.. that doesn't seem very aerodynamic.

The amount of discounting you're doing towards being in a state of ketosis is laughable. I've never seen someone basically say ketosis is not even a thing, quite the interesting take. You've either done literally zero research into what depriving your body of carbohydrates actually does, or you're willfully ignorant.

I'd love to chat more, but i have a running competition to get to IRL. Distance btw.

 

[Ares]

Intermittent fast with juice cleanses every 12-18 hours. Also, rub your stomach with essential oils and always keep weight loss crystals in your pockets.

Can I just eat Taco Bell and shit myself to death?

 

[FirstTimer]

Study citations of IF and Keto being "bullshit"?

Yes. it's bullshit in the context of it being "more effective" than standard calorie cuts. The weight loss effects are the exact same in peer reviewed controlled studies.

I F and Keto aren't magic, or special. That's why they are bullshit. No one said they "don't work".

Your head is literally shaped like a penis from the pic i saw.. that doesn't seem very aerodynamic.

Anytime you want to compete in anything I'm game.

I've never seen someone basically say ketosis is not even a thing

Talk to a dietitian. Again, you're being obtuse here. Look at what I actually said.

 

[FirstTimer]

Can I just eat Taco Bell and shit myself to death?

As long as you're shitting more calories than you're taking in, sure.

 

[Novak]

FWIW, Keto is bullshit. It's just a calorie cut. It's not special.

Also, I F is bullshit. There's no different in the results between it and a normal calorie cut diet.

This is what was actually said. This is factually inaccurate.

 

[Ares]

As long as you're shitting more calories than you're taking in, sure.

My tombstone will read:

Here lies Ares.

He died the way he lived.

Shitting out Taco Bell.

 

[FirstTimer]

This is what was actually said. This is factually inaccurate.

Nothing I said was factually inaccurate. You're just pissy for no reason.

Both are simply calorie cuts.

There's some VERY, VERY loose evidence that Keto may help with immune system health but that's mainly only been demonstrated in lab animals(mice and rats) and not in the general human population to any scientific degree as of yet. People extrapolating that as of now as canon are out over their skis ATM. Even still, this entire thread and my entire comments were centered around weight loss and weight loss only. So what I said is entirely accurate.

 

[Novak]

Nothing I said was factually inaccurate. You're just pissy for no reason.

Both are simply calorie cuts.

There's some VERY, VERY loose evidence that Keto may help with immune system health but that's mainly only been demonstrated in lab animals(mice and rats) and not in the general human population to any scientific degree as of yet. People extrapolating that as of now as canon are out over their skis ATM. Even still, this entire thread and my entire comments were centered around weight loss and weight loss only. So what I said is entirely accurate.

You simply don't know what you're talking about. People who do keto and IF traditionally don't even count calories. Any perceived "calorie cuts" are a result of the eating habits, not the cause.

Do you understand there's a difference between 200 calories from a donut and 200 calories from broccoli with cheese?

 

[FirstTimer]

You simply don't know what you're talking about. People who do keto and IF traditionally don't even count calories. Any perceived "calorie cuts" are a result of the eating habits, not the cause.

..that doesn't mean they aren't in a caloric deficit.....Just because someone doesn't count something doesn't mean it doesn't exist and the laws of energy are thrown out the window.

On top of all this..in the actual scientific research the calories are counted(for both) to ensure an accurate comparison and sampling.

Do you understand there's a difference between 200 calories from a donut and 200 calories from broccoli with cheese?

Do you understand when it comes to strictly weight loss from a caloric view point that there isn't?

Not sure why you're intentionally being such a fucking idiot about this today.

 

[Novak]

..that doesn't mean they aren't in a caloric deficit.....Just because someone doesn't count something doesn't mean it doesn't exist and the laws of energy are thrown out the window.

On top of all this..in the actual scientific research the calories are counted(for both) to ensure an accurate comparison and sampling.


Do you understand when it comes to strictly weight loss from a caloric view point that there isn't?

Except that when you are in a state of KETOSIS, calories are burned FASTER naturally. This is literally the whole basis of keto. You aren't burning calories at the same rate as you do when your body is feeding on glucose.

Saying 'just calorie in calorie out bro, keto is bullshit' is flat out wrong. You're more than welcome to look at metabolic rates of people who have their bodies converting fat into ketones instead of burning glucose (due to their DIET, NOT their calorie intake) and compare the 2... it's not even close.

It's like you've never read anything on the matter at all. I'm 2 posts away from breaking out the brooms on you, I think you're trolling.

 

[FirstTimer]

Except that when you are in a state of KETOSIS, calories are burned FASTER naturally.

Except more goes into it than that AND while Keto diets have larger gains right off the bat, long term when compared to most other simple calorie cut diets the weight loss actually ends up evening out.(Low fat diets tend to have worse health effects in other areas like hypertension etc, but that's not really relevant here since my comments are completely based around weight loss end results) Basically noob gains under Keto are bigger but long term the delta weight loss is practically the same among the study groups.

READ. THE. LITERATURE. Harvard, the NIoH, etc all point to this.

I like how you're trying to convince me that keto "works" when I never said it didn't "work". I simply just said it's a new spin on a calorie cut diet, focused around proteins....which any good diet should be anyways as protein has been known for decades to help with satiation.

This isn't new. It's not magic. It's not special.

Saying 'just calorie in calorie out bro, keto is bullshit' is flat out wrong.

No,. it's flat out correct when it comes to weight loss. The literature is clear over the long term.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Want the study citations?

And calorie in vs calorie out is base level science for weight loss. If you can disprove it you've disproved a core tenant of science in the known universe. So please cite your work and go get your Nobel Prize.

I'm out of touch with my body? I'm a competitive distance runner and have been for the last 16 years and have my own trainer and dietitian. I've maintained consistent training, power, and race season weights for the last decade. If you do I F or Keto, cool. But it's not magic. It's pretty basic. it's just different variations of a calorie cut. Spartan himself said he only east 2k-3k calories a day. Plus exercise. No shit he's losing weight.

My offseason calorie intake is roughly 1900-2000 calories a day(IIRC this offseason it's 1960 calories). I'm a lot more lift heavy this time of year so I'm not taking in more calories than I would during my more intense training periods when my running is a higher volume/intensity. I'll peak during the summer around 2800 calories a day, maybe 3400 on really intense tempo days but I'm also mixing in different macros etc based on what my body is needing to heal on a daily basis.

Weird flex, but okay

 

[Novak]

Except more goes into it than that AND while Keto diets have larger gains right off the bat, long term when compared to most other simple calorie cut diets the weight loss actually ends up evening out.(Low fat diets tend to have worse health effects in other areas like hypertension etc, but that's not really relevant here since my comments are completely based around weight loss end results) Basically noob gains under Keto are bigger but long term the overall weight loss is practically the same among the study group.

READ. THE. LITERATURE.

I like how you're trying to convince me that keto "works" when I never said it didn't "work". I simply just said it's a new spin on a calorie cut diet, focused around proteins....which any good diet should be anyways as protein has been known for decades to help with satiation.

This isn't new. It's not magic. It's not special.



No,. it's flat out correct when it comes to weight loss. The literature is clear over the long term.

Keto isn't even focused around protein you fucking grade A dorkchop, it's a fat-centric diet.

Thanks for confirming you know zero about the subject matter and decided to headbutt in anyways.

Best of luck on your next wiki-trip.

 

[FirstTimer]

Keto isn't even focused around protein

.....You realize almost every food in the keto handbook is a high protein food right? There's a reason people with kidney issues have to be careful using it. Whether you want to term it "high fat" or "high protein" is immaterial as it's simply lower carb...with a focus on the two other groups. The foods used in keto are universally known as typically higher protein foods, they are also higher fat....but that depends on the ratio you personally need as many keto practitioners I know simply concentrate on eggs, which aren't high fat but higher protein and get results.

But hey, go disagree with Harvard, NIoH etc. That'll work out.

 

[FirstTimer]

Weird flex, but okay

Not really, but okay.

 

[Novak]

.....You realize almost every food in the keto handbook is a high protein food right? There's a reason people with kidney issues have to be careful using it. Whether you want to term it "high fat" or "high protein" is immaterial as it's simply lower carb...with a focus on the two other groups. The foods used in keto are universally known as typically higher protein foods, they are also higher fat....but that depends on the ratio you personally need as many keto practitioners I know simply concentrate on eggs, which aren't high fat but higher protein and get results.

But hey, go disagree with Harvard, NIoH etc. That'll work out.

LMAO.

Traditional keto macros call for a 2:1 fat to protein ratio. Sometimes even heavier than that on the fat side.

 

[FirstTimer]

LMAO.

Traditional keto macros call for a 2:1 fat to protein ratio. Sometimes even heavier than that on the fat side.

The intro phase is heavier in protein(ratio depends on the individual).

....and again: Higher protein foods typically are higher in fat. That's the way it works. Also, protein contains the satiating factor that makes the diet "go". I use elements of keto in my own diet, especially the introduction phase(during certain times of the year). It's not complex.

All of this is besides the point that it's simply a calorie cut and the effects, based on current research, normalize over time from a weight loss perspective to other diets.

 

[SilenceS]

FWIW, Keto is bullshit. It's just a calorie cut. It's not special.

Also, I F is bullshit. There's no different in the results between it and a normal calorie cut diet.

No it isn’t, I didn’t cut calories.


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[Xuder O'Clam]

lol at these threads. The handwringing and chest pumping is entertaining, for a very short period.

 

[SilenceS]

.....You realize almost every food in the keto handbook is a high protein food right? There's a reason people with kidney issues have to be careful using it. Whether you want to term it "high fat" or "high protein" is immaterial as it's simply lower carb...with a focus on the two other groups. The foods used in keto are universally known as typically higher protein foods, they are also higher fat....but that depends on the ratio you personally need as many keto practitioners I know simply concentrate on eggs, which aren't high fat but higher protein and get results.

But hey, go disagree with Harvard, NIoH etc. That'll work out.

What? It’s low carb, moderate protein, and high fat. It’s legit 5/20/75 split on the macros


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