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Glorious it was. But Mac wasn’t the reason the Bears won. Walter and the D was.
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While im not as harsh i have to say i dont see him as a top 10 reciever either. I think hes B level which is good but not elite. Ive seen him not make some difficult catches and when was the last time he broke away for a long TD? He pretty much never does. Hes consistent and good at what he does but hes not an explosive WR. Id prefer to keep him but i dont think he should get top shelf reciever money. Mooney has been terrific in his first year and should only get better and could become our #1 even at his size. I think we can pick up a really talented WR in the 2nd round or even the 3rd so im not too concerned with Robinson moving on although id like to see him back but not for the money he wants.
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Right before the snap, the safety covering Graham retreats into a single high position. This puts the responsibility of covering Graham on the LB Myles Jack. The other safety rotates underneath to cover Anthony Miller, who is lined up inside of Robinson.
At the snap, Nagy sends Miller across the line of scrimmage. This motion confuses the defense and they make a critical mistake. Instead of following Miller across the field, the safety signals the LB Jack to take over the coverage of Miller.
This leaves Graham completely unguarded...
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Team game and Mac was a big part. Only game they lost is one he didn't play and another one that he was supposed to sit and heal, he talked his way into to score a quick 3 TDs against the Vikes. They were losing by 2 scores and he comes in after the start of the 2nd 1/2 and throws 3 long TDs in 7 passes.
He was robbed of the MVP in the SB. In that years playoffs, he rushed for 60 yards, averaged 212 yards per game over the 3 playoff games, scored 6 TDs with no turnovers and had a 107 rating... in 1985. The next year, he was already trying to play through a shoulder cuff injury when Martin fucked him up for good. He was never the same but to discredit him for his championship team's contributions is improper.
Hampton had little love for the guy and even he said that if they had a healthy McMahon in the next few postseasons, they'd have more rings, but what does he know?
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This is about where I'm at. Avoids contact and not special at one on one balls. Best thing this team did for AR was draft Mooney.
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No disrespect intended to him. But I remember those years. He was a good QB, not a great one. Of course he deserves a piece of the credit for those wins. My only point was I believe that D and Walter had a bit more to do with them than he did.
Always was a fan of Mac tho, and that hit the following year was criminal. Martin should have been banned for life for that chickenshit move.
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Back to Mitch. On those double clutch deep balls that he always misses. Is he lining them up for a better throw as it looks or is he double checking for a safety before he throws. I honestly think that if he just let it go before aiming like that, he'd have a lot more success. WTF is that?
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I'd have to see them again, but without even seeing them I bet he's not stepping into it, doing that stupid leg swing thing he does. No idea why that hasn't been coached out of him, he'd be so much more accurate.
That first touchdown to Graham are the throws he needs to make consistently, it was a dart.
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How Mitch plays against GB will determine his free agent worth. A bad outing against the first winning team played in this Bears winning streak & NFL opinions will change quickly. The narrative will be Mitch only beats losing teams with bad defenses(which has been his MO). If Mitch balls this weekend he will receive some good offers. Hopefully he does & the Bears beat GB.
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I actually prefer him doing his thing rather than thinking about his mechanics while he's making throws. Only so much room in that head.
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I dont think its about not being able to evaluate QB talent, although that is also true. In the last 2 decades, we had 51 different QBs start for this team, its practically impossible that all of them were bad talent and bad QBs. In my opinion, it has to do with the meatball mantra that has stuck with this franchise, of "we play great D and run the ball" and that comes all the way from ownership on down. When you invest 2/3rds of your salary cap on defense, always, it shouldnt be a shock that you cant pass the ball. We need to get over the meatball nonsense that worked decades ago, and step into 21st century NFL, where teams that invest into offense and have potent pass game, actually win
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No doubt. Who is this assclown writing this? Actually said Trubisky's deep ball should be emphasized, alluding to a 21 yard pass thrown to a wide open receiver whose defender fell down. LMAO. Can we be honest? Trubisky has the worst deep ball in the NFL and if there's anything the Bears' coaching staff has done right this year, it's that they've reigned in that shit of late and damn near never ask Trubisky to go deep.
And, yeah, let's keep with the BS narrative that Arob ain't shit and can't hall in the tough contested passes even as he's #1 in contested catches in the NFL. Hate on the only man who makes the white QB look decent at times. Fuckin' racists!
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To be fair you can't run the ball well if you don't invest in your o line so even that to me isn't a good enough explanation. Bears were damn near the bottom in rushing last year and they were at the bottom this year until they lucked up that an undrafted kid in Mustipher turned out to be a good center.
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He gets blamed regardless. They don’t run the ball. It’s Mitchs fault. They can’t block. Mitch isn’t getting the ball out. He takes too many sacks. Makes bad throws.
but all of a sudden you run an offense that makes everyone look 10x better and suddenly Leno is good enough to stay. Graham lived up to his contract. The lines playing better without Daniels and Massie? Because they sucked?
No...
They finally used Mitch correctly.
if anyone should leave it should be Nagy.
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Sunday should be a good reality check. Can't wait.
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Why do you bring up the cap 60 times a day but never include the caveat that things are fluid with the 2021 cap? You speak in these absolutes about the 2021 cap. But it’s obvious that a lot of stuff is going to change. The most likely scenario is that they don’t put the hit from Covid all on the 2021 cap. They’ll spread it over the course of years. It’s been mentioned in several articles. The 2021 cap is more than likely going to be around 195 million. (I’m not sure. But I think the 175 million number you see on all these sites is the minimum amount the cap can be. And it’s negotiated by the players association and owners before the season. It’s not meant to be set in stone. It’s just the floor negotiated by the players and owners.)
I’m pretty sure you do this as some sort of troll to be negative. To create this doom and gloom “we won’t be able to afford anybody. We suck” narrative. Because you constantly bring it up as if you‘re the official cap space guy for CCS. But you never include the fact that because of covid these projections are really shaky. And if you read at all about the cap you’d see that this 175 million number is low and that they’re going to not put the loss of revenue from Covid all on the 2021 cap. and that the Bears are going to have more money than you’re projecting. I think there’s a possibility you’re aware of this. But because you like to be negative you purposely don’t include that stuff. And choose to just speak in these absolutes about the 2021 cap being 175 million instead.
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Harbaugh had 1 good season with the Colts. Yeah, he's the one people would point to as a QB who "succeeded" elsewhere but did he really? Not so much outside of that 1 fluke season. Kyle Orton put some decent seasons in with other teams and found
himself in demand with teams seeking a bridge QB.
I, too, saw the punky QB play before his brain turned to mush. He's more an example of how far an average QB can go on a great team.
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Right before the snap, the safety covering Graham retreats into a single high position. This puts the responsibility of covering Graham on the LB Myles Jack. The other safety rotates underneath to cover Anthony Miller, who is lined up inside of Robinson.
At the snap, Nagy sends Miller across the line of scrimmage. This motion confuses the defense and they make a critical mistake. Instead of following Miller across the field, the safety signals the LB Jack to take over the coverage of Miller.
This leaves Graham completely unguarded...
This was actually a great adjustment made by Lazor. The Bears killed Minnesota with this hi/lo concept last week. So, the first play of the game, the Jags really attacked the flat receiver and Mitch basically threw it away to the deeper guy. So, next time they come out with this play, the Jags attack the flat again. This is typically a 2-3 option, but Graham doesnt stay in to block and becomes the 4th option. Really he's the only option here as Mooney is basically just clearing out, Robinson is half assing (intentionally), and Miller is the decoy route. The wheel route to Graham was there all day because you don't really expect a vertical route mixed in with that concept
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I have said in other posts unless the cap doesn't decline by as much as projected. I don't think I need to put that caveat in every single post as I assume people are smart enough to figure that out. See below thread as an example.
Whomst is back on the Trubisky train?
Saw a couple interesting tweets today. One shows all first round quarterbacks taken from 2015 through 2019 and clearly shows that at least half of failed. The other was a list of quality starters drafted after the first round from 2015 through 2019 and the list consisted of Dak Prescott and...
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And the overall point is not that we are fucked cap wise. The overall point is any cap should be spent on long term solutions to this team not a one year stop gap QB. If the cap is 195 million then my response to that would be to invest even more money in improving the OL, and WRs for a future franchise QB. Not spend it on 4M. In that scenario, it would main signing ARob not 4M.
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That is selling the offense short. They were by no means slouches. They may have been 20th ranked in passing but the offense overall was #2 in the league that season. Of course Walter was THE piece but by no means was he the entire offense.