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maybe i should have said i dont care enough about wtf monta ellis has/is doing to actually look i did not mean in general.......
maybe i should have said i dont care enough about wtf monta ellis has/is doing to actually look i did not mean in general.......
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Except rebounding.......which is more important to his game than passing.
Doesn't mean much in today's NBA IMO.
The NBA is a wing-centric game now I'd rather have a bevy of good wings than a bevy of good centers and power forwards by a pretty wide margin.
True but I think this is where Rose, with another scorer, could concentrate more on defense and cbecome more of a complete player. he obviously has the physcial tools to become an elite defender, maybe not having to shoulder all the scoring load would help with that
After Melo? That shipped kind of sailed but Reggie Evans woul dbe a decent start. I'd have to go back and look.
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maybe i should have said i dont care enough about wtf monta ellis has/is doing to actually look i did not mean in general.......
You cared enough about Monta Ellis to comment originally.
Nice try.
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Noah's rebounding was fine. He wasn't playing as many minutes as everybody else therefore the rebounds weren't going to be at his average of 10-11. He played very good defense in the series and so did the Bulls. He got into big foul trouble in Game 3 and I don't think Thibodeau played him enough down the stretch in Game 5.
The main issue was Carlos Boozer not being able to get easy baskets. That is what the Bulls signed him to do.
Blaming Noah for the Bulls' loss to the Heat is just about as misguided as blaming Rose.
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very true...but let's not make the assumption that the main reason the bulls lost was because of boozer(not that i think that's your view point but just trying to get something across) he did rebound very well..although had some defensive troubles and some offensive troubles as well(though he had some offensive outings)...partly because of injuries which are no stranger to boozer...but the main overall reason the bulls lost that series is because they do not have reliable outside shooters and they struggle to score...you can say that's because boozer is not contributing as much but it comes down to every player in the starting 5 contributing as well as consistent good bench play...
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Exactly.
Saying Deng is mroe valuable to the Bulls isn't so much a slight at Noah. Noah is still a qulity NBA player but given the way the NBA game is played now and with Deng's scoring ability and wing defense ability you have to say he's more valuable.
1. Mea culpa Noah averaged 9.8 RPG. I balme CSN for the faulty stat.
Any whos.....
However Noah's rebounding had to be more than "fine". Playing limited minutes and with the egg he laid on offense he rebounding and defense had to border on exceptional. As it stood Bosh got off, Noah didn't/couldn't score and his rebounding was less than ideal. He had some nice games passing...but I'm generally not worried about my centers passing in playoff games.
Boozer=Soriano
Book it.
I never blamed Noah alone for the loss. Not once.
Where the hell do you get that from?
The entire Bulls team was at fault.
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Exactly.
Saying Deng is mroe valuable to the Bulls isn't so much a slight at Noah. Noah is still a qulity NBA player but given the way the NBA game is played now and with Deng's scoring ability and wing defense ability you have to say he's more valuable.
1. Mea culpa Noah averaged 9.8 RPG. I balme CSN for the faulty stat.
Any whos.....
However Noah's rebounding had to be more than "fine". Playing limited minutes and with the egg he laid on offense he rebounding and defense had to border on exceptional. As it stood Bosh got off, Noah didn't/couldn't score and his rebounding was less than ideal. He had some nice games passing...but I'm generally not worried about my centers passing in playoff games.
Boozer=Soriano
Book it.
I never blamed Noah alone for the loss. Not once.
Where the hell do you get that from?
The entire Bulls team was at fault.
Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller closed most of the rebounding gap that the Bulls were depending on to win this series. Noah was easily the best rebounder on the floor (except maybe when Asik is out there), but the Heat had the ability to play small with Bosh and Haslem out. And they had the ability to play big with Wade-Miller-James and rest the inefficient Wade by putting in Miller while Korver was out there to completely dominate him.
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cared enough about the team i grew up with & root for to say i didnt want him here...your just reaching
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Well, there are two players who I blame the most for this loss, and they are Carlos Boozer and Kyle Korver. Granted- Boozer has a purpose on this team and it's not easy to just say 'let's get rid of him.' Boozer playing effectively in the post could have been the difference in this series. But the opposite happened. His last game, he had like 6 points and 5 rebs. on 1-of-5 shooting? That's simply terrible. Korver is overpaid and ineffective but I don't blame Korver as much for that as I do the Bulls' FO for overpaying him.
The Bulls need a SG who can create off of the dribble for himself as well as others. Noah was the main guy Rose has to dump off the rock to when he was doubled and trapped... not good. Boozer needed a larger role in the offense but it didn't happen.
But I really do think that the Heat turned out to be just deep enough and that was the main thing to blame. If I knew Haslem would show up and play well in this series, I don't think that I would have picked the Bulls to win in 7.
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korver needs another outside shooter for support or say to complement him....
and i think ellis is a good fit for a sg that can create off the dribble....as FT has said...the only reason i would not recommend that for the bulls is the possibility of a big contract,defense,etc. just too many red flags and risks imo...he can create his shot, but another thing is he's an adequate 3 point shooter but not a consistently reliable guy from the outside
but if you can get a guard like jj redick,aaron afflalo, or nick young....that'd be a great fit for the bulls....i'd imagine that the bulls would have to trade some picks or a bench player but overall those 3 guys are good fits
boozer had his issues and injuries but he does need more opportunities and options from rose(who is a good facilitator but obviously is not a pass first point guard) and another guy who can handle and pass the ball(noah does this occasionally but i'd look for a guard that can do it....)
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Ok. But that doesn't mean Noah played exceptional in the areas he had to.
Noah didn't have a good or a good enough series in the areas the Bulls needed him to to help them win the series.
Others came up short in their roles as well. And Noah wasn't even the biggest issue in the series but he still didn't play well and was largely a non-factor.
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i guess...but both(afflalo and redick) are reliable scorers and outside shooters and play solid defense
its hard to have a great outside shooter and defender AND a guy who can create his own shot consistently and expect to get him at a low price....
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I see what you're saying
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Based on inaccurate stats
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Exactly. Which is why to get some like that we'd HAVE to give up something valuable like Deng, Noah, etc. We aren't going to get upper tier players for nothing in return.
Code(and anyone else) should the Bulls have given up Gibson and Asik(as rumored) for Mayo?
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My favorite teams
If the Bulls aren't planing on resigning either Gibson or Asik, the Bulls should have traded for Mayo.
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Hindsight is 20/20 this was the best team in the league during the regular season a ton of people thought this team was much better than Miami.
Now I think we should have, I didnt then.
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Such as?
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isnt asik going back to europe soon? and taj is a good young piece...although mayo is pretty young too....
i'd do it...but i'd also find some low salary post guys in order to make up for post depth...maybe release a guard or two to make room