Monta Ellis is not worth Deng or Noah

[Utahbullsfan]

Such as?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

this isnt really an example of a person who thought the bulls(current) were better than the heat

but it's an interesting article from doug in early march when the heat were really struggling
LeBron and Wade make me appreciate Michael and Scottie - Chicago Bulls Confidential

 

[FirstTimer]

Don't you mean Pax-Gormana?

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Don't you mean Pax-Gormana?

No ..

 

[FirstTimer]

No ..

So Reinsdorf nixed the Mayo trade?

 

[houheffna]

So Reinsdorf nixed the Mayo trade?

Heisler nixed the Mayo trade more than anybody...

 

[NealKleren]

I agree. If anything trade our draft picks for him and maybe someone from the bench. Deng is finally getting his stuff together and we barely just gave Noah his extension.I wouldnt trade either of them for Ellis. Lets see how well Noah does before involving him in trade talks for a SG. Only person I would trade Noah for is Howard atm.

 

[FirstTimer]

I agree. If anything trade our draft picks for him and maybe someone from the bench. Deng is finally getting his stuff together and we barely just gave Noah his extension.I wouldnt trade either of them for Ellis. Lets see how well Noah does before involving him in trade talks for a SG. Only person I would trade Noah for is Howard atm.

I'm pretty sure we'd have to trade good players to make the money matchup. I'm not sure our entire bench makes enough to match Elli's contract.(Obvious hyperbole but you get my point)

 

[NealKleren]

I'm pretty sure we'd have to trade good players to make the money matchup. I'm not sure our entire bench makes enough to match Elli's contract.(Obvious hyperbole but you get my point)

We'll we could trade Korver and someone else. Idk how it would match up. I really dont see the Bulls trading any of our starters for him though except maybe Deng but imo like I said I wouldnt trade Deng for ho,. And if it came down to it you can get another team involved and make it even out,my fault for not including that in the previous post.

 

[BNB]

I don't want Ellis on the Bulls, period. So I obviously think giving up Noah and Deng is crazy.

Yes, Monta is a good scorer. But so are a lot of players in the league. Monta isn't any more special than any of them... and I don't know if I would even say Monta's scoring is "special" at all. His stats are kinda inflated due to the offense he plays in. He was able to get a bunch of shots off because of their fast pace... Also he has led the league in MPG the last 2 seasons. Last year, he regularly played the whole entire game. Obviously your scoring numbers are gonna look good.if any player played 48 minutes a game regularly, their PPG average would go up by a couple of points.

yeah, he's still a good scorer, but I wanna see how he does and how his numbers look after he plays a season while averaging only 36 MPG and plays in a half-court offense most of the time, etc. etc.

And the Bulls need a very good 3 point shooter playing SG. I would say Ellis is an average 3 point shooter.

 

[Bullsman24]

i just don't know how well he fits. i don't want him starting next to rose. i don't have a problem with an average defender starting next to rose but he's a bad defender. i would be fine with him coming off the bench but he's honestly too good of a talent to come off the bench and idk if he would be happy.

 

[Michael]

Ya I see your point... But if we got Monta do you really think it would make us worse??

I honestly want Iggy because he can do what you said and he can also break the defender down and create his own shot ..

I just dont think we can be so picky given our situation and glaring need

No, I don't think Ellis would make us worse. He would certainly be an improvement over our current shooting guards, but it would really depend on whom we'd lose. I think the impact that losing Noah or Deng would have would far outweigh the benefits of adding Ellis. If we can get Ellis without losing Jo or Lu, I'd be all for it (unless we could get Iggy)

 

[Utahbullsfan]

It isn't just the Golden State Warriors working to get Monta Ellis(notes) onto another team before next season gets underway. The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the representatives for Ellis "have joined the Warriors in an attempt to find a mutually beneficial destination."

CBS Sports has it that a trade of Ellis for Andrew Iguodala of the Philadelphia 76ers has a 50-50 chance of happening.

The Atlanta Hawks, Chicago Bulls, Memphis Grizzlies, Orlando Magic, Portland Trail Blazers, and Los Angeles Lakers "have shown interest in Ellis" this offseason, the Chronicle reports.

CBS reports, though, that the Bulls haven't had any recent conversations with the Warriors about the 25-year-old Ellis, who has three seasons and $33 million left on his contract.

"This week's hiring of coach Mark Jackson could throw a wrinkle into the trade talks," the Chronicle reports. "(GM Larry) Riley said Jackson will be heard on roster decisions, including the draft on June 23."

"I look forward to coaching Monta Ellis," Jackson said on ESPN, the Chronicle notes. "You don't have to be creative as a coach when you have a guy who can flat-out get the basketball in the hoop. He's a guy who can score when he wakes up, and he's a guy I look forward to being part of the Golden State Warriors."
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Not looking good for the Bullies

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Per Sam Smith

Sam: The Bulls in recent years, like many teams, have had talks regarding Ellis. Now it seems obvious given Jerry West's comments of late that the Warriors will move one of their small guards, mostly likely Ellis. My sense is the Bulls are not a serious player regarding Ellis given they'd likely have to give up at least Noah. And say they wanted Deng, which I would be surprised given they have a solid three in Dorell Wright, who would play small forward and especially defend the other team's best guy, as Deng does. Although I like Ellis with Rose given the explosiveness of the backcourt, I don't think the Bulls are thrilled with that kind of guard given his size and his lack of defensive ability or interest. Plus with what you'd have to give, Noah or Deng, at least, with maybe Asik, you'd then so compromise your defense and give up your shot blocking at the basket. So you'd become the Warriors. They want to become the Bulls by getting rid of Ellis. What I've heard is the Warriors have little interest in the Bulls roster beyond Rose and just maybe Noah.

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Isnt GS shopping him because him and Curry dont compliment each other well? They are both undersized and both like the rock in their hands... How would that be any different with Rose/Monta

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Isnt GS shopping him because him and Curry dont compliment each other well? They are both undersized and both like the rock in their hands... How would that be any different with Rose/Monta

Agreed. Monta isn't a true SG and (though he would make the Bulls better if he was added onto this current roster) he isn't worth Deng or Noah. They should concentrate on finding Rose and off-guard who actually does complement him.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Agreed. Monta isn't a true SG and (though he would make the Bulls better if he was added onto this current roster) he isn't worth Deng or Noah. They should concentrate on finding Rose and off-guard who actually does complement him.

Idk if Monta can be a PG or even if he could be a combo guard. To me he's just a ball dominant SG. I still think we'd be better if we could add him without losing Deng or Noah (though I guess that's a no duh kind of statement) but it seems like he's not very high on the Bulls' list. I don't really blame them for looking for another guy first, in fact, it's a good sign that they are, but like I said, if he's the best option available and we can get him, we should get him.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Idk if Monta can be a PG or even if he could be a combo guard. To me he's just a ball dominant SG. I still think we'd be better if we could add him without losing Deng or Noah (though I guess that's a no duh kind of statement) but it seems like he's not very high on the Bulls' list. I don't really blame them for looking for another guy first, in fact, it's a good sign that they are, but like I said, if he's the best option available and we can get him, we should get him.

To me, he doesn't play intelligent individual basketball and doesn't have a true position because he is a product of the GSW's helter-skelter of basketball.

Obviously, if the Bulls could magically trade Omer Asik straight-up for Ellis, I'd do it. But there isn't a realistic way to trade for him. That's why I said in another thread that Manu was way better... because Ginobili actually knows how to play team basketball.

 

[clonetrooper264]

To me, he doesn't play intelligent individual basketball and doesn't have a true position because he is a product of the GSW's helter-skelter of basketball.

Obviously, if the Bulls could magically trade Omer Asik straight-up for Ellis, I'd do it. But there isn't a realistic way to trade for him. That's why I said in another thread that Manu was way better... because Ginobili actually knows how to play team basketball.

True. And of course Ginobili is better. The only thing that Ellis can do that Manu can't is maybe...run faster and jump higher. Ginobili is a heck of a player and one with a really high basketball IQ. It baffles me how he was drafted so late...whoever the SA scouts are, we need one of them. xD

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

To me, he doesn't play intelligent individual basketball and doesn't have a true position because he is a product of the GSW's helter-skelter of basketball.

Obviously, if the Bulls could magically trade Omer Asik straight-up for Ellis, I'd do it. But there isn't a realistic way to trade for him. That's why I said in another thread that Manu was way better... because Ginobili actually knows how to play team basketball.

lol@GS being that stupid or desperate to trade ellis for a unproven european guy who probably wont be on the team next year or whenever basketball resumes(yes yes i know you were kidding)

thing is....manu is getting old(although he is still pretty damn good) and monta is still pretty young and quick..but ya he doesnt necessarily play smart basketball and his jump shot isnt phenomenal...he's more of a run and gun penetrator