Monta Ellis is not worth Deng or Noah

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Calling me a Special person would be a lie, because I don't make Special person posts. You do. I'm stating a fact. You would just be flaming and lying.

I've never accused you of lying.

Look up the meaning of the word "Special person" and get back to me. It is hyperbole for the sake of being obnoxious.

And it would be different if you could prove those disagreeable OPINIONS of mine wrong. But you can't. So you should just keep your little insults to yourself.

 

[Axl Rose]

i never ever ever EVER wanna see andrea bargnani in bulls uniform

 

[Lex L.]

Look up the meaning of the word "Special person" and get back to me. It is hyperbole for the sake of being obnoxious.

And it would be different if you could prove those disagreeable OPINIONS of mine wrong. But you can't. So you should just keep your little insults to yourself.

Stop feeding the troll. He gets off on it. If you don't feed the troll, eventually he'll have to get off by going back to putting peanut butter on his balls so his dog will lick them.

 

[FirstTimer]

What I used against Robertson was that he played in a style of offense that was ineffectual in regard to team basketball. That style doesn't win in the biggest games and never has over the course of NBA history. That is a knock and a fair one at that.

LOL

Go look up Oscar's FG%, as well as his FGA's. Odd that you somewhat imply Oscar was a ball hog yet he shot 48% from the field only took around 16 shots per game, lead the league in assists 7 times and averaged 9.5 apg.

 

[FirstTimer]

Look up the meaning of the word "Special person" and get back to me. It is hyperbole for the sake of being obnoxious.

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:rolling:

Nothing hyperbolic(?) about it. I truly think you're a Special person.

 

[FirstTimer]

HUH?

One, I remember Jordan taking over games MORE in the postseason than in the regular season, and the Bulls seemed to do just fine. Two, I remember Kobe and Shaq playing two-man bball well enough to win multiple titles while surrounded by stiffs like Luke Walton. Three, you are making it seem as if a team just gets to choose what style it excels at, and it can either choose to "win" by playing team basketball or "lose" by not doing so.

You are basically saying that Oscar Robertson chose to play ineffectual basketball and made the conscious decision to "not win" the biggest games.

That is quite possibly the more Special person sports-related statement I've ever heard.

I don't know. Robertson only lead the league in assists 7 times......how much of a team player was he?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Oscar was too ball-dominant to gain the ultimate success at team level. That's why he had to go to the Bucks after he started to fall off to win a title.

Jordan and Magic were ball-dominant superstars that had the basis of a balanced attack. There was no balanced attack with Robertson. His style of play is closer to a rich-man's Stephon Marbury than anything else; making all of the decisions for Cincinnati's offense by himself.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Troll moar

*leaves*

 

[FirstTimer]

Oscar was too ball-dominant to gain the ultimate success at team level. That's why he had to go to the Bucks after he started to fall off to win a title.

This might come as a shock to you..but those Cincy teams weren't really all that good around Robertson.

Perhaps you know nothing of sports but most times ultimate success at the team level requires a good team in general.

His style of play is closer to a rich-man's Stephon Marbury than anything else;

:rolling:

 

[FirstTimer]

You have no idea what you are talking about. You have no basis to make those statements about Robertson, because you know nothing about his career. Your brief synopsis on Robertson makes it seem as if he was a terrible player on Cincy, only to be "reborn" at Milwaukee and finally become a good player. As is the wont with all your postings, the opposite is true. Robertson was much better on Cincy, and when he was on Milwaukee he was getting older and past his prime. He played 10 years on Cincy, and only 4 on Milwaukee, yet his 3 worst shooting seasons were all on Milwaukee.

I guess your next argument is that missing shots helps teams win titles, while scoring points is an indication of poor team play?

Also odd. As Robertson became more "team oriented" in Milwaukee...his assists went down each season.

 

[Lex L.]

yawn

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Let's just ignore that young big men typically don't hit their offensive peak until near the age of 30. Noah can become a very good offensive player and maybe even close to a great one and there is no doubt about that. Will he is a different story. He isn't being given a lot of opportunities to become one because the Bulls are not a team that is seeking to develop; they are using what they already know they have to win games.

You have this tendency to post in absolutes. Why do you do this?

You mean to tell me there can be no doubt at all about Noah developing a post game?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Perhaps, but I still think Noah makes other starters better than Boozer. Meanwhile, Boozer can boost the scoring coming off the bench.





I would trade Boozer for Bargnani. He spaces the floor.

But it depends. Let's take a look at Toronto.

Their leading rebounders are:

Bargnani-5.8
Amir Johnson- 6.4
Magloire- 5.0

You could maybe take two lesser players but who cost less money and maybe get Ed Davis thrown in. If you can do that, you'd get a player with upside.

he cant rebound and he's not a good defender..his PPG is inflated because he plays on a very meh team...

not sure you're really getting anything that positive for andrea

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You have this tendency to post in absolutes. Why do you do this?

You mean to tell me there can be no doubt at all about Noah developing a post game?

There is no doubt at all that he can. I never said that he will. That is not dealing in absolutes. It's opinion based on observation.

 

[FirstTimer]

There is no doubt at all that he can. I never said that he will. That is not dealing in absolutes. It's opinion based on observation.

Of what exactly?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Of what exactly?

Already said why he COULD.

The premise of this conversation was me calling you out for having Oscar as a top 5 lock when he is not. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Abdul-Jabbar, and Chamberlain are 5 players right there who could easily be ranked above Robertson. And they aren't the only ones.

You are the one dealing in absolutes. I am somehow the Special person for claiming that Oscar is not a better player than those guys.

 

[FirstTimer]

Already said why he COULD.

You have me on ignore.

How can you see my posts?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I am somehow the Special person for claiming that Oscar is not a better player than those guys.

Correct.

 

[Lex L.]

he cant rebound and he's not a good defender..his PPG is inflated because he plays on a very meh team...

not sure you're really getting anything that positive for andrea

The Bulls would be fine. They were top 3 in the league in rebounding before they added Boozer.

Stop throwing out nonsense just to represent Dookies.

 

[FirstTimer]

Let's just ignore that young big men typically don't hit their offensive peak until near the age of 30. .

What big man ever had no real post game at 27..then by 30 was "peaking" and had a "great" or even somewhat "dominant" post game?

Anyone?

Ever?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Patrick Ewing's best years were his last two years. His body held up nicely.