Next Manager Discussion Thread

[cubsneedmiracle]

Certainly would be interesting.

Theres a difference between having high baseball instincts and being a smart player. LOL.

 

[Flacco4Prez]

Or conversely idiots would be happy with 80% failure..

So from an NFL perspective, would you rather make the playoffs on a annual basis (Packers) win 1 Super Bowl every decade, or make the playoffs every 4 years or so and not win a Super Bowl at all?

 

[brett05]

Theres a difference between having high baseball instincts and being a smart player. LOL.

Only Cub fans call Greg the smartest

 

[SilenceS]

Only Cub fans call Greg the smartest

And analyst, teammates, Braves fan, baseball fans in general, constituents, and basically anyone who doesn't live under a rock. So, congrats! Living under a rock would be to uncomfortable for me.

 

[SilenceS]

http://americanmissive.com/2008/12/09/so-long-mad-dog-thank-you-for-the-memories/

 

[brett05]

And analyst, teammates, Braves fan, baseball fans in general, constituents, and basically anyone who doesn't live under a rock. So, congrats! Living under a rock would be to uncomfortable for me.

Feel free to post anything to that effect. LOL *poors kool-aid for you*

 

[brett05]

http://americanmissive.com/2008/12/09/so-long-mad-dog-thank-you-for-the-memories/

Wow, the first post is on Bags and what an awful decision to do. Did it work? Not the point, it's actually an example of bad decision making, not good decision making.
:clap:

You ask most baseball players especially the good ones and they remember all of that.

Like I said, AJ says hi.

 

[SilenceS]

Next Manager

Wow, the first post is on Bags and what an awful decision to do. Did it work? Not the point, it's actually an example of bad decision making, not good decision making.
:clap:

You ask most baseball players especially the good ones and they remember all of that.

Like I said, AJ says hi.

Haha your a funny lil guy. You can hate all day on the mad dog. His hall of fame ring in 14 says hi as well. N your comment on the bagwell thing says it all about your thinking.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Re: Next Manager

So from an NFL perspective, would you rather make the playoffs on a annual basis (Packers) win 1 Super Bowl every decade, or make the playoffs every 4 years or so and not win a Super Bowl at all?

So IOW the Bulls would have been satisfying to all, considered a great team and Jordan would have been considered the greatest player ever, if the Bulls had simply shown up to 6 NBA Finals and only won one of them. That is essentially your position.



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[brett05]

Haha your a funny lil guy. You can hate all day on the mad dog. His hall of fame ring in 14 says hi as well. N your comment on the bagwell thing says it all about your thinking.

I get it. You are clueless on being critical. Gotcha.

 

[SilenceS]

Next Manager

I get it. You are clueless on being critical. Gotcha.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[brett05]

That doesn't even make sense.

I didn't think it would for you. Sorry.

 

[SilenceS]

Next Manager

I didn't think it would for you. Sorry.

Lol

 

[CSF77]

Jesse Rogers of ESPN Chicago reports that Cubs brass and Manny Acta had a seven-hour meeting yesterday. Acta is appealing to the team because the Cubs would like a Latin American presence in their managerial opening or on the coaching staff, or both (Twitter links).

 

[brett05]

Jesse Rogers of ESPN Chicago reports that Cubs brass and Manny Acta had a seven-hour meeting yesterday. Acta is appealing to the team because the Cubs would like a Latin American presence in their managerial opening or on the coaching staff, or both (Twitter links).

That seems like it would be the ideal signing.

 

[CSF77]

what exactly do you need to see from them that tells you their committed to winning in 2014 ? a handful of FA signings ? there really not a whole lot available to had for long term commitment...

i think girardi smart enough to know exactly what the cubs have going on right now.. he can see they have a handful of young top talent just about ready to come out, and eventually the ricketts will open up the pocket book and allow epstein and hoyer to spend on FAs..

you have to know that If and when girardi sits down with epstein and hoyer, their going to explain fully what the plan is as far as what they expect out of players from their system and when they will start to spend money on long term FAs. and epstein and hoyer have to be smart enough to know their not going to get a guy like girardi as manager if that commitment isnt there in 2014/2015..

i also sincerely doubt they took the job to help the ricketts keep payroll down for their 5 yrs and to never try and put a winning team on the field..


im also going to go out on the limb now and say joe girardi is interested in joining the cubs...

if it about family , a 3 yr deal does nothing for him as far as the yankees being committee to him.. they can easily fire him in the next yr or two if they choose

girardi has to see players wise their going south as rivera gone, pettite gone, arod prob. gone, jeter just about done, and if they dont resign cano
they have nothing going for them and their little available via FA.. not sure how their farm system is, but their current roster is dwindling and getting old, so this time next year they may be in a worse position then the cubs.

im hearing cubs are ready to offer a 5-6 yr deal at close to 6 per, thats a nice commitment with the young talent they have coming up and a payroll that will no doubt go up with the right FAs that becomes available.

also, yankees are said to have made a take it or leave it deal.. girardi would be a fool not to listen to other offers and not tell the yankees his desire to do so.

First I would want at min. Price as my number 1. I would not feel good with either Shark or Wood as my opening day. 2nd I'm looking at the history of the Ricketts. What I am seeing is a reduction of resource to pay roll.

Short term the Cubs need a legit Ace and a RH #4 hitter. Another need is a better OBA bat than Valbuena. The fact that Cubs are settling for replacement player platoons should be a red flag for proven managers.

So no Joe is a major reach and if he takes the gig he is low balling his own worth. We have to see this situation objectively vs from a Cubs fan point of view which makes the Cubs gig look way better than it is.

Acta seems more realistic to me. Fits the criteria and is coming in at low worth as he was canned from 2 jobs and is looking to get a job.

 

[chibears55]

First I would want at min. Price as my number 1.

price would be great, but my guess is unless the cubs can trade more 2nd and 3rd tier players for him over their top prospects they will more then likely wait until he becomes a FA after next season.. if they do move a top prospect for him or any deal for him, they definitely need him to agree to an extension before deal is complete.

Short term the Cubs need a legit Ace and a RH #4 hitter. Another need is a better OBA bat than Valbuena.

we know what they need, problem is their not a whole lot available for them via FA long term to go after..

The fact that Cubs are settling for replacement player platoons should be a red flag for proven managers.

replacement players are what they did and had to do the last 2 off seasons to get payroll down and stock pile their system, i might be wrong but i think we will see more long term commitments being made this off season and we will see a couple of their kids making their debuts this season.

So no Joe is a major reach and if he takes the gig he is low balling his own worth. We have to see this situation objectively vs from a Cubs fan point of view which makes the Cubs gig look way better than it is.

low balling himself ? if cubs are offering 5-6 yrs at 5-6 mil per how is he low balling himself ? he getting more yrs at about the same or more per then yankees are offering..
i am looking at both teams ( yankees and cubs ) objectively ..short term 2014, yes yankees look better , long term ( 2-3 yrs ) cubs are in a better position right now..
if you look at potential FAs down the road there not a whole lot available cause teams are starting to tie up their top younger players long term and i believe the yankees farm system ranked outside the top 10 as the cubs are one of the best right now..

plus, Hal steinbrenner is not george as far as spending as he is looking to lower payroll over the next couple of years, as ricketts will be or at least should be raising his in the next couple of years...

so, if girardi choices are either the yankees or cubs he would be in a much better position right now for long term with the cubs...

Acta seems more realistic to me. Fits the criteria and is coming in at low worth as he was canned from 2 jobs and is looking to get a job.

im sure Acta is probably being considered as 1st choice if girardi dont take it, problem might come is if the national and or reds move in on him before girardi makes a decision...

 

[CSF77]

low balling himself ? if cubs are offering 5-6 yrs at 5-6 mil per how is he low balling himself ? he getting more yrs at about the same or more per then yankees are offering..

First of all do not look at this from a $$$ point of view. The cash spend on managers is chump change compared to what players get.

This has to do with:
what is this team have?
What are their resources.
Is the ownership making a commitment to winning?

So what do the Cubs have? A good farm system and a big market. That is good but are they running a big market payroll? Is that talent ready? What do they have? Can Joe by himself turn around a 90 loss team 3 years in a row with out talent?

Ask yourself this question:


Did Dale fail the Cubs

Or

Did the Cubs fail Dale.

That is a big question if I'm looking at this job. Am I supposed to be a savior to this team? Do I want to be that guy? If I prove to be less that iconic will I be butchered like the rest of the long list of managers in Chicago for being human and not given the tools to find success.

Like I said, got to look at it objectively
Did Dale fail the Cubs or

 

[CSF77]

The fact that Cubs are settling for replacement player platoons should be a red flag for proven managers.

replacement players are what they did and had to do the last 2 off seasons to get payroll down and stock pile their system, i might be wrong but i think we will see more long term commitments being made this off season and we will see a couple of their kids making their debuts this season.

That is one of the core problems of the Rickett's. They bought a team that they could not fund.

I understand the mechanics of the contract but they should have educated themselves more. It felt like a daddy bought Tommy a new car move to me and Tommy has to pay for the gas and insurance and can't afford it.

 

[theberserkfury]

That is one of the core problems of the Rickett's. They bought a team that they could not fund.

I understand the mechanics of the contract but they should have educated themselves more. It felt like a daddy bought Tommy a new car move to me and Tommy has to pay for the gas and insurance and can't afford it.

I think these guys knew what they were doing when they bought the team...

They bought the team with the intention of owning it for a while... just because they're cutting payroll for the few years doesn't mean that it's always gonna be that way.