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That's from this year. This time last year, Ollie Gordon was the Doak Walker winner, and this year is widely considered a 3rd day pick.
Never said they should get you drafted #4. You asked if he was recognized as a top talent.
 

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Yea, for me personally, not to give a super longwinded answer:
  • I do think Jeanty is special and the best RB in the class. I would bet against the Bears picking a better RB in this class at 39 or later.
    • I know Ben can still make a number of RBs look really good if the line is functional, so I don't see a need to be desperate.
  • RBs general shelf life is a concern for a top 10 pick. A starting OT can last a decade. Any RB that gets that far is definitely an exception. This leads into the positional value stuff too.
    • Throwing premium draft picks (2nd rounders) into this just kills me even more.
  • RBs are cheaper to obtain otherwise... trades, free agency, etc. Premium QBs, OTs, Edges, DTs more rarely become available.
  • If the Bears got Jeanty, I would be excited to watch him. It's not about that.
Can't disagree with your points but I was a little underwhelmed by swift and johnson last year. Would be nice to have a rb who could create yards and take some pressure off the young QB.
 

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I think Jacksonville just maybe isn't that interested in Graham or any other prospect at 5. Suddenly they are linked to Jeanty and Warren at 5 as those are really the only available players that maybe someone is interested in trading up for.

Maybe they are hoping some team that really wants Jeanty will trade up to 5 with them so they can get out of that spot.

I absolutely hate Ryan Poles and think he has made huge mistakes, but I refuse to believe he is dumb enough to trade up to 5 to draft a RB. I don't buy it.
Question isnt whether Poles is dumb enough to trade up for Jeanty but whether Johnson is given the Lions took Gibbs high in 2023. If the rumors are true it is obvious this is Johnson pushing for this.
 

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He's not a good blocker.

That doesn't matter at this time.
If that's who Poles takes at 10 all I can do is wait and see if he's a good blocker. Then in a year or two I could look back and decide if it was a good pick.

If he trades up without a steal of a deal that makes it being a good pick much more difficult since he takes up 2 spots that could've been oline or dline.
 

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Yea, for me personally, not to give a super longwinded answer:
  • I do think Jeanty is special and the best RB in the class. I would bet against the Bears picking a better RB in this class at 39 or later.
    • I know Ben can still make a number of RBs look really good if the line is functional, so I don't see a need to be desperate.
  • RBs general shelf life is a concern for a top 10 pick. A starting OT can last a decade. Any RB that gets that far is definitely an exception. This leads into the positional value stuff too.
    • Throwing premium draft picks (2nd rounders) into this just kills me even more.
  • RBs are cheaper to obtain otherwise... trades, free agency, etc. Premium QBs, OTs, Edges, DTs more rarely become available.
  • If the Bears got Jeanty, I would be excited to watch him. It's not about that.
We know Henderson can block with the best of them and we know he's a homerun threat wherever he is on the field. He's not the rushing talent that Jeanty is but for that 2nd round pick, or a minor trade-up to ensure you get him? Much, much, much better value than even taking Jeanty at #10 let alone basically trading what could be Henderson + #10 for Jeanty. If Johnson is the offensive guru he's claimed to be then he could do wonders with Henderson and Swift who are both threats to house it if they get the ball in space. We shouldn't need to have to spend a top 10 pick on a running back with a coach like that.
 

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I'm hoping for LT at #10, even with a little trade back to 13/15 or so, and then hitting DE/TE/RB in the 2nd, and then maybe Center in the third. That's the smart thing to do. Jeanty or Warren (or even Tet) at #10 is exciting. I wonder if Egbuka will be there in the 2nd, he'd be a really nice WR3 for us. If we trade down, I wonder what pick we'd get—2nd, 3rd, 4th? Top 100 picks are where I want us. Outside of the top blue chippers there are a lot of guys in the 15-20 range.
 

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We know Henderson can block with the best of them and we know he's a homerun threat wherever he is on the field. He's not the rushing talent that Jeanty is but for that 2nd round pick, or a minor trade-up to ensure you get him? Much, much, much better value than even taking Jeanty at #10 let alone basically trading what could be Henderson + #10 for Jeanty. If Johnson is the offensive guru he's claimed to be then he could do wonders with Henderson and Swift who are both threats to house it if they get the ball in space. We shouldn't need to have to spend a top 10 pick on a running back with a coach like that.
Looking at this lad now. Definitely fast but doesnt look as talented a natural runner as jeanty as you acknowledge. Question is how much betternis jeanty? That's the projection poles/johnson need to get right. Personally not as concerned about missing out on a second round pick if Jeanty is good enough to give the qb some room to develop.
 

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This is the more interesting move for me. The Bears are a perfect spot for Hunter as he can split time at outside CB and be the primary 3rd WR so we can manage his overall snaps. If you buy into the idea he covers 2 positions with one player then is their a deal to be made with Cleveland to move up to 2 to get him?

Would probably have to be 10, 39 and a player if you wanted to avoid giving up 41 or next year's first.
 

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Wut? That's simply not true. Definitely needs refinement, wouldn't say he's as polished as a guy like Henderson. But he's more then capable.
What about anything below would make you say that calling him a "not good blocker" is incorrect?

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Far from a finished product in pass protection. Had lapses in judgment with occasional misdiagnosis of which rusher to block. Did sometimes struggle holding up against aggressive defenders.

Jeanty is a willing and competitive pass protector, but his technique needs refining. His hands and punches can be sloppy, leading to not securing his defender. At times, he approaches blocks with low hands, giving up his chest to second-level defenders attacking downhill with momentum. Jeanty does not showcase explosive lateral abilities—he can get caught between the tackles when pressing the LOS. Jeanty's jump cuts do not cover much ground to counter defensive run fits on inside runs.

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That doesn't matter at this time.
If that's who Poles takes at 10 all I can do is wait and see if he's a good blocker. Then in a year or two I could look back and decide if it was a good pick.

If he trades up without a steal of a deal that makes it being a good pick much more difficult since he takes up 2 spots that could've been oline or dline.
This is a weird reply. You literally said this:

If Jeanty can block I'm OK with it (at 10). A blocking RB counts as an oline boost to me plus everything else a good RB brings to a team.

I simply answered that. You basically implied you wouldn't take him if he wasn't a good blocker. Now... you've done a 180°. I really don't care about his blocking. I was just letting you know since you seemed unsure.
 

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Plot twist:

Poles is attempting to trade up. Not for Jeanty, as that is just a smokescreen, but for Mason Graham.
 

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