Report: Some guy in New York says Derrick Rose wants no part of a rebuild

[FirstTimer]

I misread.

No big deal. Biggie's post suck. I was just addressing that isolated issue and his posting is such a cluster **** it's confusing unless you type out a thesis explaining the context.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I was at a dinner last night with the Athletic Director of a very major high school in the Chicagoland area. He was talking about a luncheon he was at with the director of the NCAA, and the director was saying that the gpa requirement for athletes was raised to 2.3. Many people, especially from CPS were saying their decision was racist. The director responded, "Isn't it funny that you don't think black high school students are capable of attaining a gpa requirement?"

That completely reminds me of this post you made. You don't think Derrick Rose is capable of hearing bad news? You don'[t want to face the fact that the Bulls have tied 30% of their payroll into a guy who hasn't played the past two seasons? Rose has absolutely no reason to talk. Whether it is about a rebuild or anything. He needs to have played a bit more to have an opinion.

If he can't handle the criticism, then that says a lot more about him than anything else.

:clap:

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Disagree with some of what FT just said. This is more about the message his people are sending out. Fact of the matter is, beyond everything that can be said about Rose, he just is not a smart person. Even worse, he does not have smart people around him. Which is fine, because as a guy who is a Bulls fan, I'd rather him be focused on making the Bulls better. However, that does not make him immune from any criticism that comes his way when he or his people make idiotic comments. Regardless of whether or not we think those are true or not.

:yep:

 

[nobull]

I have no idea if this story is true. But it is becoming difficult to like Dglass. Guys who can't stay healthy enough to even play should not be heard from.

He did not say anything

 

[nobull]

Why is it becoming difficult?

Because people are whiny children. I am sure we are more disappointed then the man who trained his life too get their. My God People are stupid

 

[Diddy1122]

This is more about the message his people are sending out. Fact of the matter is, beyond everything that can be said about Rose, he just is not a smart person. Even worse, he does not have smart people around him. Which is fine, because as a guy who is a Bulls fan, I'd rather him be focused on making the Bulls better. However, that does not make him immune from any criticism that comes his way when he or his people make idiotic comments. Regardless of whether or not we think those are true or not.

100% agreed.

Regardless of the veracity of this article, no star player is ever immune to criticism. I'll go further with that and say that no person, in general, is immune to criticism. Opinions, debate, and criticism are innate components of the human condition. Rose deserves a lot of criticism he has already heard. While I, personally, was fine with him not playing DESPITE being 100% healthy the final month and a half of the season, that did not sit well with the majority of the fan base. Add to that, he lets his brother Reggie run his mouth unchecked, with no denials of his comments coming from Derrick. I have always said "Never let a relative be your manager". Emotions too easily overtake reasoning when it comes to decision making, and it's readily apparent in a lot of Reggie's comments over the years.

Derrick's focus should be on his rehab, not on what Forman or Pax are doing right now. Why he would be upset about breaking up the core of players he's barely played with is dumbfounding. Not to mention, I find it highly unlikely that 1) this team would deliberately tank; 2) GarPax would make a big trade during the season causing a standings free fall; and 3) the team could suck that bad playing in the Leastern Conference, where it looks like a 35 win team could make the post season.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Because people are whiny children. I am sure we are more disappointed then the man who trained his life too get their. My God People are stupid

You're right. Some of them are stupid, but some of them simply get a hard on from trolling internet message boards.

Not one of them can post an actual quote from Rose, though. They avoid that question like the plague.

 

[houheffna]

Not only will it drive him out of town, but the Bulls will not attract another superstar free-agent for the next 20 years.

Players around the league are watching how the fanbase & local media are trying to destroy Derrick Rose. And Why?.......Because he chose to take his time returning from a torn ACL. His choice is the exact same choice that Jerry Reinsdorf suggested that he make. Other players know that if the fans/local media will turn on a humble hometown kid because of injuries, they don't stand a chance of coming to this city & avoiding the criticism.

It was bad during the post-dynasty years when Jerry Krause had Benny The Bull at airports trying to woo McGrady & Duncan. The Bulls were a laughingstock around the league because of that. Unfortunately, we will be a laughingstock again because our local media & fanbase are turning on the first star to wear this uniform since the Jordan years....a hometown kid at that.

Bernstien got very personal in that article by saying Derrick is not the brightest bulb, Reggie Rose is "uneducated", calling him a young rich guy, & his mentions of the Englewood area. He truly pulled out the dog whistles in this article.

It's a shame.

Just rhetorically speaking...

I don't think you are giving other players on other teams enough credit. SOME of them may know that Rose is not the humble guy people think he is. Why is it that your example could prove to be a detriment to landing future stars...but his not wanting to recruit other star players to come play with him isn't?

 

[scottiepippen1994]

:yep:

He was smart enough to cheat his way into college. :shrug:

 

[RoseMVP1]

Every single human being should be criticized, that's what helps us grow as people as well as helps us make sure we don't make the same mistakes over again. No one is perfect. There's a big difference between constructive criticize and just criticizing for the hell of it. Questioning Rose's intelligence and basically calling him a dumbass, like Bernstein did, is completely idiotic. When you don't personally know someone and you're taking shots like that, you are just saying shit to say it.

As for his brother, Derrick doesn't control what he says. You can say what you want about his inner circle, but how many of you would just exile your brother in order to shut him up?

 

[Jerry Cortez211]

Let's be real, there are few professional basketball players (and pretty much any athlete regardless of sport for that matter) that are completely humble. They've been coddled and dickrode since high school, possibly before, the difference with Rose is that he's relatively quiet and possibly not as charasmatic off the court compared to other players.

The Bernstein article sounds like an angry rant tbh. I'm not sure what the hell gangs from Englewood have to do with this, also pretty much everyone from there who has a decent life now was "shielded from gangs" at one point or another, but he does have a point with BJ Armstrong. We know he's not the most high on Pax, that shit may even go back to when they were playing...at the end of day we'll find out the next time Rose actually talks to the media...it's sad that this season which was supposed to have so much promise has come down to this

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

100% agreed.

Regardless of the veracity of this article, no star player is ever immune to criticism. I'll go further with that and say that no person, in general, is immune to criticism. Opinions, debate, and criticism are innate components of the human condition. Rose deserves a lot of criticism he has already heard. While I, personally, was fine with him not playing DESPITE being 100% healthy the final month and a half of the season, that did not sit well with the majority of the fan base. Add to that, he lets his brother Reggie run his mouth unchecked, with no denials of his comments coming from Derrick. I have always said "Never let a relative be your manager". Emotions too easily overtake reasoning when it comes to decision making, and it's readily apparent in a lot of Reggie's comments over the years.

Derrick's focus should be on his rehab, not on what Forman or Pax are doing right now. Why he would be upset about breaking up the core of players he's barely played with is dumbfounding. Not to mention, I find it highly unlikely that 1) this team would deliberately tank; 2) GarPax would make a big trade during the season causing a standings free fall; and 3) the team could suck that bad playing in the Leastern Conference, where it looks like a 35 win team could make the post season.

Tell you what, taking it a step further: A guy signed to a $90+ million dollar contract who has only been able to play 12 regular season games in 2 years is in NO POSITION to be dictating what a franchise does. Don't want them to be in a rebuild? Too fucking bad. Window is closing Derrick.

If he weren't completely untradeable at this point, I'd entertain an offer for him.

 

[Jerry Cortez211]

On top of that it's not like it'll be a 1998 start from the bottom rebuild, it's more of a get rid of the guys who won't/can't put us over the top and get better talent type of rebuild what is happening, plus other franchises have went through this.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Just rhetorically speaking...

I don't think you are giving other players on other teams enough credit. SOME of them may know that Rose is not the humble guy people think he is. Why is it that your example could prove to be a detriment to landing future stars...but his not wanting to recruit other star players to come play with him isn't?

I admit that you taught me something a few weeks ago. I was unaware that Rose made those quotes about not wanting to recruit. Hats off to you, bro. I just don't think that there was anyone for him to recruit these last couple of seasons. Other than the Miami 3 from 2010, there was no other superstar on the trade block. Dwight & Melo both wanted to go elsewhere. Melo wanted NY for his wife, while Dwight wanted out of Orlando but wanted to be the #1 option somewhere. That's why he couldn't co-exist with Kobe & Harden eventually gave up the crown to him in Houston.

I think that we can agree that we've been unable to land a star free-agent since the Dynasty ended, minus us signing Ben Wallace (defensive role player). The franchise struck out on free-agent superstars left & right. We got lucky & drafted Rose #1 a few seasons ago, which gave us our first legit star since MJ/Pip. Fast forward to his injury last season, every superstar player in the league backed him up when he decided to rehab for the entire season & called him one of the nicest guys in the league. Those same superstars are on record as being in disbelief when told about the criticism coming from the local Chicago media & a segment of the fan-base.

As a NBA superstar, why would you choose to come to a franchise/city that turns on a hometown kid because he got injured & didn't return when they wanted him to. The critics conveniently forget how Jerry Reinsdorf, John Paxson, Gar Foreman, Coach Thibs, & every player agreed with Rose's decision to miss the entire season last season. The critics of Rose's rehab choice are also quick to say that Dr. Cole instructed Rose back on the court, but they're using selective reading skills. Below is what he said:

"There's actually a lot of therapeutic benefit to starting with early minutes when it's safe," Cole said. "You have to play to play. All these muscle patterns have to kick in. You can do that off the court informally. But there's a lot of benefit to playing. Whether he has to go 40 minutes, that's a whole different story. Just getting out there and playing when he's able, that's when his exponential growth is going to come."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...16_1_bulls-rose-derrick-rose-athletic-trainer

That underlined sentence from Dr. Cole's quote states that he gave Rose an option in regards to completing his rehab. He gave him an option to finish "off the court" or "on the court". Derrick Rose chose Dr. Cole's option of finishing it off the court. That choice by Derrick Rose was approved by the Chicago Bulls hierarchy, including the man that owns the team....Jerry Reinsdorf:

"Right from the start, I thought Jerry set the tone for it. He made it clear about how we were going to approach it," coach Tom Thibodeau said. "We were never going to rush him back. We weren't going to allow him to rush himself back. He heeded Jerry's advice right from the beginning.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...410_1_derrick-rose-tom-thibodeau-friday-marks

The arguments that are now happening in this thread are not really about this season & this rumor. The arguments in this thread are really from people (including Bernstein) that are still bitter with Rose because he didn't return last season. They have yet to move on.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Tell you what, taking it a step further: A guy signed to a $90+ million dollar contract who has only been able to play 12 regular season games in 2 years is in NO POSITION to be dictating what a franchise does. Don't want them to be in a rebuild? Too fucking bad. Window is closing Derrick.

If he weren't completely untradeable at this point, I'd entertain an offer for him.

:clap:

Id trade him for Janerro Pargo at this point, LoL.

 

[nwfisch]

Hey guys, the player we thought was going to be our alpha-male since Jordan isn't used to this. So lets keep the criticism to a minimum please.

What's this we stuff? You're a Heat fan here, the rest of us are Bulls fans.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Tell you what, taking it a step further: A guy signed to a $90+ million dollar contract who has only been able to play 12 regular season games in 2 years is in NO POSITION to be dictating what a franchise does. Don't want them to be in a rebuild? Too fucking bad. Window is closing Derrick.

If he weren't completely untradeable at this point, I'd entertain an offer for him.

#1 He signed the contract coming off a season where he was named the youngest MVP in NBA history. Nobody had a problem with him when he signed the deal. I wasn't reading this particular board at the time, but I highly doubt that you had a problem with the contract back then.

#2 I will again ask you to show me the comments made by Rose that states he does not want a rebuild or any comments where he's dictating to the franchise.

If you can't provide his comments, you're either a) an internet poster that's still bitter because Rose didn't return last season or b) an internet poster that's trolling for the hell of it.

 

[houheffna]

Every single human being should be criticized, that's what helps us grow as people as well as helps us make sure we don't make the same mistakes over again. No one is perfect. There's a big difference between constructive criticize and just criticizing for the hell of it. Questioning Rose's intelligence and basically calling him a dumbass, like Bernstein did, is completely idiotic. When you don't personally know someone and you're taking shots like that, you are just saying shit to say it.

As for his brother, Derrick doesn't control what he says. You can say what you want about his inner circle, but how many of you would just exile your brother in order to shut him up?

That is exactly what you do....when is the last time you heard anything from Maverick Carter?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

#1 He signed the contract coming off a season where he was named the youngest MVP in NBA history. Nobody had a problem with him when he signed the deal. I wasn't reading this particular board at the time, but I highly doubt that you had a problem with the contract back then.

#2 I will again ask you to show me the comments made by Rose that states he does not want a rebuild or any comments where he's dictating to the franchise.

If you can't provide his comments, you're either a) an internet poster that's still bitter because Rose didn't return last season or b) an internet poster that's trolling for the hell of it.

You've completely glossed over the point of my point.

 

[JosMin]

**** this team.