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I thought I was seeing things. He didn't want to drop it in front of the net so he skated it out of trouble while holding it....
Yikes!
I thought I was seeing things. He didn't want to drop it in front of the net so he skated it out of trouble while holding it....
Yikes!
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I thought i was seeing things when the buzzer went off and the Hawks were losers again on home ice to a shit team. Oh well, we are still the Cup champions and let's not forget it. here's my random thoughts
1. Until last week, going back to dec 15 of 2009 (yes 2009) the Oil had played 28 road games, and did not have a single regulation win. (They did eek out 2 SO wins during that time.)
2. you know how hard it is to go 28 consecutive games and not have a single win in regulation?
3. The 2009-10 Oil have four wins total (home and road). Half of them against the Hawks.
4. One good thing about having Campbell back is that when the Hawks were playing like shit earlier in the season, the boards were peppered with "Wait till we get Campbell back." Sure is nice not reading that anymore.
4b. One other good thing is we no longer have to read the "Hawks are injured" excuse for the lackluster play.
5. Actually, i'm not too sure Campbell is even back. Anybody seen the $7 million dollar man?
6. Soup coming back was supposed to cut Keith's minutes. Hasn't happened.
7. Truthfully, the only good thing about Soup back is one of the bums from the trio (Slugimore, Boynton, Hendry) gets to sit in the press box.
8. For some reason i feel the uncontrollable urge to mention that Skille sucks.
9. Nice night for Scott. Breaks 3 sticks and a dude's face.
10. Oil goalie is an old drunk with a bad back. And we could only score one goal?!?! and it took a 4th liner to do it?!?!
11. j/k Khabby, i still love you. I wore my Khabby Winter Classic jersey tonite. You coming in for French Toast is something i will always remember.
12. Its not all doom and gloom. Hawks are on the right track. At least Edmonton didn't score 7 goals like when they were here last week.
13. What will it take to wake this team up? Q's stopping practice at least worked for one game. Trouble is, you can only do that once or twice a year.
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1. Until last week, going back to dec 15 of 2009 (yes 2009) the Oil had played 28 road games, and did not have a single regulation win. (They did eek out 2 SO wins during that time.)
2. you know how hard it is to go 28 consecutive games and not have a single win in regulation?
3. The 2009-10 Oil have four wins total (home and road). Half of them against the Hawks.
4. One good thing about having Campbell back is that when the Hawks were playing like shit earlier in the season, the boards were peppered with "Wait till we get Campbell back." Sure is nice not reading that anymore.
4b. One other good thing is we no longer have to read the "Hawks are injured" excuse for the lackluster play.
5. Actually, i'm not too sure Campbell is even back. Anybody seen the $7 million dollar man?
6. Soup coming back was supposed to cut Keith's minutes. Hasn't happened.
7. Truthfully, the only good thing about Soup back is one of the bums from the trio (Slugimore, Boynton, Hendry) gets to sit in the press box.
8. For some reason i feel the uncontrollable urge to mention that Skille sucks.
9. Nice night for Scott. Breaks 3 sticks and a dude's face.
10. Oil goalie is an old drunk with a bad back. And we could only score one goal?!?! and it took a 4th liner to do it?!?!
11. j/k Khabby, i still love you. I wore my Khabby Winter Classic jersey tonite. You coming in for French Toast is something i will always remember.
12. Its not all doom and gloom. Hawks are on the right track. At least Edmonton didn't score 7 goals like when they were here last week.
13. What will it take to wake this team up? Q's stopping practice at least worked for one game. Trouble is, you can only do that once or twice a year.
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I totally disagree, actually. I think it's the big guns that need to step up their game. The new guys have, more or less, been as expected. Stalberg has been pretty good. Skille is all over the place, creating chances, and throwing the body around. Pisani has been pretty abysmal to start the season, but has played better of late. Scott shouldn't be in the lineup. Dowell has contributed. Who are you seriously having issues with out of the guys that were brought in? All these losses, you can go back and point the finger at several members of the "core" or the "leftovers" for underperforming. Tonight was really no different. We scored one goal against the Oilers, and it came from Pisani? Really? How about Brouwer? Kopecky since the Hossa injury? Sharp the last several games? Hossa his last five games? Kane and Toews every other game when they decide to take the night off? Hjalmarsson, Keith, Seabrook, all have been underwhelming for good stretches here. Bickell is a healthy scratch most nights for John fucking Scott... Look at the Oilers defense and tell me why our top forwards aren't lighting these guys up for multiple point nights. I don't expect the third and fourth liners to win us games. I expect them to go out, and not lose us games. With the money we are spending on our core, they should be winning a lot more games for us.
We were counting on the guys we kept to make strides this year and improve their play. So far, all we've seen is regression from them. It's an issue with the holdovers and our "stars" not playing up to their standards. This isn't an issue with the guys brought in to replace the cap casualties. I've already posted why I think that's happening, so once the schedule spreads out a bit more, hopefully we'll see improvement.
P.S. Before everyone comes here and points out how many points guys have, please take into consideration that winning games isn't all about scoring. You have to keep the puck out of your net, play responsibly, and contribute in the defensive end too. Our team defense sucks this year. Chinese fire drill in our end. We're basically getting outworked and outskated in our end of the ice. Puck possession has suffered greatly as a result. Take a look around the league, and the teams doing well, all have one thing in common. They are keeping the puck out of their net much better than everyone else.
We were counting on the guys we kept to make strides this year and improve their play. So far, all we've seen is regression from them. It's an issue with the holdovers and our "stars" not playing up to their standards. This isn't an issue with the guys brought in to replace the cap casualties. I've already posted why I think that's happening, so once the schedule spreads out a bit more, hopefully we'll see improvement.
P.S. Before everyone comes here and points out how many points guys have, please take into consideration that winning games isn't all about scoring. You have to keep the puck out of your net, play responsibly, and contribute in the defensive end too. Our team defense sucks this year. Chinese fire drill in our end. We're basically getting outworked and outskated in our end of the ice. Puck possession has suffered greatly as a result. Take a look around the league, and the teams doing well, all have one thing in common. They are keeping the puck out of their net much better than everyone else.
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Because they have too much pressure on them? Thus why you need better contributions from the supporting cast. Can you honestly say you have been thrilled with the play of the 3rd and 4th liners Pez? You had a fit about them the other night now they are okay in your books? Come on!!!
Just giving you a hard time
I agree 100% with your theory as to why the big guns have been a bit off they more than likely are a little burnt out early. Yet they always seem to be the ones generating chances when on the ice. I don't see it from the 3rd and 4thers. I see them skating straight lines shift in and shift out. Dowell has been below average if you ask me a couple hits and a couple goals don't turn me on when he is more than invisible every night. Turn that guy into a pesty player and we have a winner, I don't like the rols he is playing we need an Eager type out of him and he aint no Eager yet. Otherwise he is a dime a dozen and not really doing anything for me. I also expected better out of Skille thus far to be honest. Hes a guy that should be fighting for Brouwers minutes (who as you said is really disapointing so far). Pisani meh.
Stalbergs the only guy I am seeing out there being creative out of the bunch. The rest are skating straight lines and you know they are Pez. And very few are going to the net. That includes EVERYONE!! Big guns, new guys...everyone.
Agree about team defense...you are bang on there. It is the biggest concern right now.
Just giving you a hard time
I agree 100% with your theory as to why the big guns have been a bit off they more than likely are a little burnt out early. Yet they always seem to be the ones generating chances when on the ice. I don't see it from the 3rd and 4thers. I see them skating straight lines shift in and shift out. Dowell has been below average if you ask me a couple hits and a couple goals don't turn me on when he is more than invisible every night. Turn that guy into a pesty player and we have a winner, I don't like the rols he is playing we need an Eager type out of him and he aint no Eager yet. Otherwise he is a dime a dozen and not really doing anything for me. I also expected better out of Skille thus far to be honest. Hes a guy that should be fighting for Brouwers minutes (who as you said is really disapointing so far). Pisani meh.
Stalbergs the only guy I am seeing out there being creative out of the bunch. The rest are skating straight lines and you know they are Pez. And very few are going to the net. That includes EVERYONE!! Big guns, new guys...everyone.
Agree about team defense...you are bang on there. It is the biggest concern right now.
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Pressure?
You're talking about guys that ALL played in the Olympics, and guys that just won a Stanley Cup. Pressure of the regular season? Look at how many minutes the guys you are talking about are playing. How can you expect much out of them? Were people this critical of Fraser last year?
Our top guns are tired, and it shows. It isn't the pressure, it's the fact that they have nothing in the tank most nights. it doesn't help that Q is riding the **** out of them either. Give the new guys some more icetime for ****'s sake, so we can at least gauge how good or bad they are.
I just don't see what you're seeing. When we are stuck in our zone, it's always the same guys out on the ice. Our third and fourth line might not be generating many scoring chances, but they're not getting scored on much either. Am I thrilled by them? No, but I don't find myself screaming at the television much when they're on the ice. They're working hard for the puck and making the simple plays. Our first and second lines are the ones getting hemmed into our end of the ice for long shifts. Or, they are getting caught up ice and getting beat back into our zone by the opposing forwards... That second Edmonton goal, we've got Seabrook, Keith, Sharp, Hossa, and Kopecky out on the ice. Pretty much every single one of them fucked up at some point on that shift, or got beat by the Edmonton player. Puck ends up in the net. That's been the story of the season so far. We are beating ourselves, by not playing the simple, hard working hockey we played last season. That, and being undisciplined.
Bickell should be this year's Eager. Unfortunately, the guy has no fire most nights. Brouwer should be Brouwer from last year. Hate to say it, but the guy has been in a coma since his dad was sick last year. He's not half the player he was. Shows flashes, then disappears. He is Byfuglien with less size and less skill. Bolland is gone. What did he play, one game this year? We have several guys we kept from last year's team, that we expected to make improvements. It hasn't happened.
I just don't see what you're seeing. When we are stuck in our zone, it's always the same guys out on the ice. Our third and fourth line might not be generating many scoring chances, but they're not getting scored on much either. Am I thrilled by them? No, but I don't find myself screaming at the television much when they're on the ice. They're working hard for the puck and making the simple plays. Our first and second lines are the ones getting hemmed into our end of the ice for long shifts. Or, they are getting caught up ice and getting beat back into our zone by the opposing forwards... That second Edmonton goal, we've got Seabrook, Keith, Sharp, Hossa, and Kopecky out on the ice. Pretty much every single one of them fucked up at some point on that shift, or got beat by the Edmonton player. Puck ends up in the net. That's been the story of the season so far. We are beating ourselves, by not playing the simple, hard working hockey we played last season. That, and being undisciplined.
Bickell should be this year's Eager. Unfortunately, the guy has no fire most nights. Brouwer should be Brouwer from last year. Hate to say it, but the guy has been in a coma since his dad was sick last year. He's not half the player he was. Shows flashes, then disappears. He is Byfuglien with less size and less skill. Bolland is gone. What did he play, one game this year? We have several guys we kept from last year's team, that we expected to make improvements. It hasn't happened.
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Maybe its too early to be pinning everything on him, but thus far Quenneville has been terrible and certainly has not gotten the most out of this team.
At the same point, 16 games in a month, that's a game every other day. Lets see how the team does with a little break here and there and some much needed practice under their belts.
Q cut practice early the other day, well lets hope he doesn't do it again any time soon because they need it. If anyone remembers earlier in the season, they had a rough stretch where they lost against the Blues and the BJ's back-to-back after having 4 games in 6 nights... then had a 3 day break until playing LA.. everyone thought we would get creamed and we came out and won 3-1. Just an example of what some rest can do.
This game was another game at the end of a back-to-back, and it showed in the third, simple as that. The rest is going to help this team, practice is going to build them up, and that is where Q will find his players and build their roles.
They have a bit more time the rest of this month, but they play every weekend back-to-back still... I think they can probably go 7-3-1 or something along those lines the rest of this month. They play 10 games in 22 days, but they have a lot more practice time. We'll see what happens.
At the same point, 16 games in a month, that's a game every other day. Lets see how the team does with a little break here and there and some much needed practice under their belts.
Q cut practice early the other day, well lets hope he doesn't do it again any time soon because they need it. If anyone remembers earlier in the season, they had a rough stretch where they lost against the Blues and the BJ's back-to-back after having 4 games in 6 nights... then had a 3 day break until playing LA.. everyone thought we would get creamed and we came out and won 3-1. Just an example of what some rest can do.
This game was another game at the end of a back-to-back, and it showed in the third, simple as that. The rest is going to help this team, practice is going to build them up, and that is where Q will find his players and build their roles.
They have a bit more time the rest of this month, but they play every weekend back-to-back still... I think they can probably go 7-3-1 or something along those lines the rest of this month. They play 10 games in 22 days, but they have a lot more practice time. We'll see what happens.
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Fair enough Pez we see different needs and wants from the 3rd/4th lines. That's not a big issue to me we aren't all going to agree on what we need and want out of lines.
Just to touch on the top guns being tired. I wonder if we asked them about that what they would say. I doubt they are using it as an excuse. And why are the Flyers playing pretty well. Didn't they deal with the same long season last year? Sure they didn't have to deal with the same media frenzy (I actually don't think that is effecting anyone to be honest but its interesting none the less. And yes the Hawks schedule has been tough to start the season compared to all other teams including the Flyers. However its only 2 game difference btw the two teams. This "tired theory: is interesting but I am not fully sold on it.
Go look at the Flyers stats. You will see depth scoring and almost every player is in the plus.
Somethings wrong with the Hawks. I still think it's the depth and supporting players and frankly I agree with Ton on Q.
Maybe I am stretching comparing the Hawks to the Flyers but I don't see why I can't. And yes I know the Flyers have been more healthy than us. But I still think it's worth looking at.
Just to touch on the top guns being tired. I wonder if we asked them about that what they would say. I doubt they are using it as an excuse. And why are the Flyers playing pretty well. Didn't they deal with the same long season last year? Sure they didn't have to deal with the same media frenzy (I actually don't think that is effecting anyone to be honest but its interesting none the less. And yes the Hawks schedule has been tough to start the season compared to all other teams including the Flyers. However its only 2 game difference btw the two teams. This "tired theory: is interesting but I am not fully sold on it.
Go look at the Flyers stats. You will see depth scoring and almost every player is in the plus.
Somethings wrong with the Hawks. I still think it's the depth and supporting players and frankly I agree with Ton on Q.
Maybe I am stretching comparing the Hawks to the Flyers but I don't see why I can't. And yes I know the Flyers have been more healthy than us. But I still think it's worth looking at.
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Averaging 1 standings point per game gets a team early spring tee times!
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Oilers capitilized on the Blackhawks mistakes last night and Khabby stood on his head. Have to admit I'm getting tired of these losses, particularly when there are opportunities to close the game out early. Those 2 power plays early in the 2nd were a golden opportunity. Have to score on those. Momentum swung back to the oilers to close the 2nd and the rest is history.
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Excellent post! I'll comment on some of these - mine in blue.
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The teams with the best records, including Blues, Kings, Canucks, and Caps, are hungry and have something to prove. That does not describe the Hawks. That described last years Hawks though.
Will beats skill. If Hawks show up, they beat the Oilers every time, even if they spotted them 5 goals. If.
You can blame scheduling for the Hawks record, but during the busiest part, 4 games between October 15-20, they won all four games.
I feel bad for Turco. Came here to win the Cup, and he has to watch this crap. Don't worry Marty, its a long season. Some roster moves will probably be made in the spring, and at some point the boys will wake up. In the mean time, all you can do is sufffer like the rest of us. At least you didn't have to play goal for the team 5 years ago like Khabby did.
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Will beats skill. If Hawks show up, they beat the Oilers every time, even if they spotted them 5 goals. If.
You can blame scheduling for the Hawks record, but during the busiest part, 4 games between October 15-20, they won all four games.
I feel bad for Turco. Came here to win the Cup, and he has to watch this crap. Don't worry Marty, its a long season. Some roster moves will probably be made in the spring, and at some point the boys will wake up. In the mean time, all you can do is sufffer like the rest of us. At least you didn't have to play goal for the team 5 years ago like Khabby did.
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As Dallas has a great start...
The team as a whole is playing like crap. Point a finger here or there if it makes ya (proverbial) happy, but it is the team. There are glimmers of shifts past but certainly not enough. Schedule? BAH! These are professional athletes. Too tired, suck it up while you count your money. There is no question of talent as we have a ton.
I think the Circus trip will be good, perhaps the Hawks can find their team in the mix being on the road, who knows.
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Well on the bright side, Hossa looked really good for his first game back.
Lots of hard work to keep possession of the puck.
I hope his work ethic rubs off on other, and soon.
Lots of hard work to keep possession of the puck.
I hope his work ethic rubs off on other, and soon.
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"had" a great start.
They are 5-5 in their last 10.
Most of these teams that are on fire will fall off eventually.
I'd rather have adversity now than later in the season. I'll let the IHN experts critique the rest.
I agree on the Circus trip. For some reason this team plays better on the road. That will have to end at some point here.
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McD had not one fucking thing to do with building the "championship team". Bandwagoner!
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Gotta give Khabi credit. He stole this game for his team.
Wow he stones Toews with the toe, then nails kaner with his leg blocker.
Amazing!
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Good point...
I just think they need some team bonding or something. While I have no insight whatsoever on the locker room, I would imagine it would be quite difficult to have a group of people with huge accolades from past year and a group of new kids trying to find a place. Last year, I think a huge part of the success was they acted like a team and played like one.
They have shown some shifts that show this. While no one expects a showing like last year, this is a unforeseen start. I dont even mind if they are just playing good simple hockey.
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There are only three more home games this month. They'll get a lot of bonding on the road.
Hawks will be fine. Last night the other teams goalie stole the game. It happens. Look at Halak! I might have to adjust my feelings on St. Louis if their goalie continues to stand on his head. Has how many shut outs already, 3, 4... Yikes.
And something we talked about last night the energy from the fans in the building is no where near where it was last year. Everything is different.
Hawks will be fine. Last night the other teams goalie stole the game. It happens. Look at Halak! I might have to adjust my feelings on St. Louis if their goalie continues to stand on his head. Has how many shut outs already, 3, 4... Yikes.
And something we talked about last night the energy from the fans in the building is no where near where it was last year. Everything is different.
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