The Carnivore Diet

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**** i was feeling off working out yesterday.. energy felt fucked... ran a mile, thought it was because of shit sleep and stopped....so i moved on to boxing... i hurt me shit maybe a lil over a year ago and havent really lifted since and have done minimal boxing, but i feel healed enough for other shit.. me shit is functional but anything heavy with me right bicep is fucked.. left bicep fully healed months ago....part of me reasons to start the running....so i started cross training as part of phase 2 the other week..anywho i boxed an hour then ran some uptempo intervals for another mile.. i didnt have energy until 30 minutes into boxing.. weird i thought. physical energy has been decent and consistent so i was perplexeded

i went to cook some wagyu sausages the wife cooked da day before.. a new package... i see they have 7.9g carbs each.. motherfucks. i ate 3 da day before.. now i was under the ketosis carb threshold still but maybe i stored extra glucose and it was used first?? i think i was running off da carbs for the first bit then went into fats an half hour into boxing.. all i know is that first part was shit.....them sausages are da firez though.. probably a %5 wagyu crossbreed.. def not purebred, considering da price.. still though yums.. however the fucks also have fillers.. guess if i want sausages imma have to make them myself.. passed on eating the ones i cooked.
 
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Ps, I don't have any ailments that would drive me to only eat meat, but what are the stats on how a meat diet affects the micribiome? And I'm not talking about the claims it "resets" the gut or fixes leaky gut...

I couldn't tell ya, but I bet @Spartan thinks he could.
You've done right calling on me to help the oft confused and clueless @HeHateMe , IJPH.

As far as carnivore goes the 2 main concerns people would have on the gut microbiome would be the lack of fiber, which has been shown to have a positive effect on it. And also the lack of diversity in the diet which the masses wrongly assume leads to less diversity in the microbiome.

As far as fiber goes, yes, it has been shown to lead to better gut health. However, it also seems to be something we can adjust to doing without whereas you may see a decrease in gut microbiome diversity after just starting a carnivore diet but after a few months you'll start to see an expansion in its diversity again.

As far as a less diverse diet making for less diversity in the microbiome, you'd have to first look at all the foods in a standard diverse diet and see how they are bad for the microbiome in general. Sugars, starches, grains, vegetable seed oils, processed foods and such are all bad for gut health. Eliminating them from your diet could only have a positive effect on your gut health.
 

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You've done right calling on me to help the oft confused and clueless @HeHateMe , IJPH.

As far as carnivore goes the 2 main concerns people would have on the gut microbiome would be the lack of fiber, which has been shown to have a positive effect on it. And also the lack of diversity in the diet which the masses wrongly assume leads to less diversity in the microbiome.

As far as fiber goes, yes, it has been shown to lead to better gut health. However, it also seems to be something we can adjust to doing without whereas you may see a decrease in gut microbiome diversity after just starting a carnivore diet but after a few months you'll start to see an expansion in its diversity again.

As far as a less diverse diet making for less diversity in the microbiome, you'd have to first look at all the foods in a standard diverse diet and see how they are bad for the microbiome in general. Sugars, starches, grains, vegetable seed oils, processed foods and such are all bad for gut health. Eliminating them from your diet could only have a positive effect on your gut health.

my microbiome is probably fucked atm or healthy eh.. a couple of weeks back me middle finger got fucked up and was cut up in multiple spots... nuffin serious.. some missing chunks of skin. Karma i guess. Anywho Dr gave me a tetanus shot cause of rusty metal and antibiotics to prevent infection from them open wound.

I take it them antibiotic killed me gutz... so i got a chemical reset biome? now my gutz will be built upon the meats.

im coming up on 4 weeks of the carnivore.. plan to extend me experimental window to at least 60, soft plan is until x mas... after accidentally eating 24g carbs the other day.. imma stress to go zero for a bit... gonna cut out trace carbs.. so no ground meats this week.. if imma eat ground in the future, imma ground me own or if this week feels like my trace weeks, ill incorporate da factory mince..

gonna be chicken thigh, bacon and steak week.. in da ghee and duck fatz...
 

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my microbiome is probably fucked atm or healthy eh.. a couple of weeks back me middle finger got fucked up and was cut up in multiple spots... nuffin serious.. some missing chunks of skin. Karma i guess. Anywho Dr gave me a tetanus shot cause of rusty metal and antibiotics to prevent infection from them open wound.

I take it them antibiotic killed me gutz... so i got a chemical reset biome? now my gutz will be built upon the meats.

im coming up on 4 weeks of the carnivore.. plan to extend me experimental window to at least 60, soft plan is until x mas... after accidentally eating 24g carbs the other day.. imma stress to go zero for a bit... gonna cut out trace carbs.. so no ground meats this week.. if imma eat ground in the future, imma ground me own or if this week feels like my trace weeks, ill incorporate da factory mince..

gonna be chicken thigh, bacon and steak week.. in da ghee and duck fatz...
Are you trolling yourself with all of this, or tryna troll people who might actually read this?
 

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Are you trolling yourself with all of this, or tryna troll people who might actually read this?

whats being trolled.. do add some context.. be spurcific mane
 

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my microbiome is probably fucked atm or healthy eh.. a couple of weeks back me middle finger got fucked up and was cut up in multiple spots... nuffin serious.. some missing chunks of skin. Karma i guess. Anywho Dr gave me a tetanus shot cause of rusty metal and antibiotics to prevent infection from them open wound.

I take it them antibiotic killed me gutz... so i got a chemical reset biome? now my gutz will be built upon the meats.

im coming up on 4 weeks of the carnivore.. plan to extend me experimental window to at least 60, soft plan is until x mas... after accidentally eating 24g carbs the other day.. imma stress to go zero for a bit... gonna cut out trace carbs.. so no ground meats this week.. if imma eat ground in the future, imma ground me own or if this week feels like my trace weeks, ill incorporate da factory mince..

gonna be chicken thigh, bacon and steak week.. in da ghee and duck fatz...
Antibiotics is a problem for the microbiome. Whoever denies that doesn't know the first thing about gut health. It consists of both good and bad bacteria. It's not as if antibiotics can differentiate between good and bad bacteria. I don't know how much probiotics, prebiotics, or synbiotics help but they can't hurt and could be especially helpful for that small period of time you have to be on antibiotics to stop any infection. I don't believe there's a microbiome reset switch though. It's not as if it's gonna be totally wrecked the first day you're on antibiotics or even cause you have to be on them for 5 days or so. Would be a a much more gradual thing in which it would get just a bit worse gradually and then would also get gradually better when all is right again. Most likely nothing that will be noticeable to you.

Any positive effects on your overall wellness to report after 4 weeks of doing it?
 
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Antibiotics is a problem for the microbiome. Whoever denies that doesn't know the first thing about gut health. It consists of both good and bad bacteria. It's not as if antibiotics can differentiate between good and bad bacteria. I don't know how much probiotics, prebiotics, or synbiotics help but they can't hurt and could be especially helpful for that small period of time you have to be on antibiotics to stop any infection. I don't believe there's a microbiome reset switch though. It's not as if it's gonna be totally wrecked the first day you're on antibiotics or even cause you have to be on them for 5 days or so. Would be a a much more gradual thing in which it would get just a bit worse gradually and then would also get gradually better when all is right again. Most likely nothing that will be noticeable to you.

Any positive effects on your overall wellness to report after 4 weeks of doing it?

already on and off my cycle of antibiotics. about 6 days worth..

positive effects?

no bloat. youve done keto and IF iirc, that fullness n bloat is gone like that, i find it even less on carnivore.. omad keeps it minimal as is probably around a .5% feel by numbers , omad + carnivore makes it 0.

inflammation is gone. much like keto the anti inflammatory benefits are there

recovery seems better vs running on fats/protein and carbs. seems better than keto.. keto id still eat 20g-30g carbs most days.

other than the day after me accidental carb intake physical energy is good and consistent. even when i struggled with the carb workout once my fats kicked back in i was good and after 1 mile, 1 mile of interval uptempos 200m at 5:40 min mile pacing and 1 hour of boxing, i could still go longer...

its not just an hour of punching btw. i rotate between a heavy bag and reflex bag working up speed/power during me circuits. but after running a mile and continuous moment while warming up im still sweating. no stops for breaks during that warm up.... normally it doesnt take 30 mintues to warm up, but that session did.. the last 30 minutes that workout was 50%power, 75% speed. when i rotate on the heavy i have a half circle to work with and have specific things i work on. when im on the reflex i have a full circle. reflex is more of a shadow box simulation when i get at it but just with a bag for me... dancing, working angles, finding ranges , parry, blocks, slips, rolls etc etc.... also doubles as a bs double end bag in a sense.. breaks are low impact dancing in place.. i do various drills depending on the day

hydration, i didnt drink any water until 45 mins in boxing.. i find the need for water intake has lessened some... however, im going to be adding an electrolyte solution to water just in case.

sleep is a lil better but demons in me life is effecting that. i wake up more alert though.. even when getting minimal sleep.

ive had carb cravings a couple of times.. usually when im cooking some carby shit for the fam or seeing all their bs carbs all over the kitchen. they still eating whatever. but for the most part im not thinking about carbs or food in general. thats a fasting thing imo.. once you are omad for a long time it is what it is...

i should have done bloodworks before and during but i havent.. do feel a lil extra man aggression though.. not angry or anything.. but if ya know you know..

notice my fingernails seem whiter.. idk what that is about but when i was trimming them im like damn tthose are white as.

hair seems to be growing faster.. ive been fading me own shit forover 2 decades and know my grow cycle.. it seems to be coming a tad bit quicker.

my ketosis breath has gone

i use less toilet paper.

i havent weighed myself since i dropped all that water but i feel im leaning up.. clothes are even looser

cost wise my weekly food budget is around the same.. a lot less if i eat a lot of mince. could get more pricey if i went a5 wagyu ya know.. but standard steaks, mince, chicken, eggs are similar for my portion of the bill.. maybe a lil less. im also omad so that lowers shit regardless.. but id be more diverese and buy a lots of things that add up./

gonna buy another sous vide and start buying chucks to turn into me steaks.. pretty cheap in a sense vs grass fed ribeyes. had a cheap china stick that worked but i pulled the wire loose.. may look into a water oven this time.

havent been counting macros or calories.. i counted the first couple of days to make sure i was getting at least a min amount of cals.. just been eating since.. will def double check labels for carbs on everything going forward.. im not adamant about pure carnivore and zero carb but might as well do it while im doing it.. ive seen macros from dr kiltz who has carbs at 0-10%... i guess it depends on the version.. 10% just seems like keto to me.. ketovore i guess... but when i was on keto id add plenty of veg and offset my carbs with fibrous things.. i guess a ketovore diet for me now would be carbs from spices not named salt while focusing on meats.. maybe add other animal products... idk...
 
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i havent weighed myself since i dropped all that water but i feel im leaning up.. clothes are even looser

I did weigh meself this morning and I had lost another 10 pounds on top of that initial 15.2.. .. we can pretend i didnt put on that 5-8 pounds of water during that carb load the day before i started.

so i started out at 720 pounds am down to 666 for a loss of 25.2 pounds in 26 days or 17.2-22.2 pounds when adjusting for that carb/water load. This is with a cal deficit the first few days and probably closer to maintenance cals the majority cause intake went up slightly and been using a lot of ghee/duck fat/tallow/lard/schmaltz.. some days may have been above. idk.. not doing the cico macro shit
 
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id call that ketovore.. which id say im technically doing some days.. cause of spices and minimal dairy mainly. def different tiers of carnivore. a lot days are pure carnivore and zero carbs for me though. def havent eaten any veg veg or fruits since i started.... however, ill def have cracked pepper here and there when eating steak.. could go without but habit..

the broth i make has zero veg. just animal and salt. basic chicken broth.. have dutch ovened a whole chicken a few times at low temps.. then stored the broth for an appetizer..

today has been 3 weeks since switching. idk how i ever made it past 3 days mens health. the explosive meat shits never came.. a few loose stools when consuming too much fat, but nothing to write home about. def nothing compared to the first time i went keto years ago.. last night i had salmon, bacon and a 1/2 pound burger patty.. only salt added.. no cheese, no butter or extra added oils.. so pure carnivore last night.. think ill eat the same tonight..

inflammation has gone, joints feel decent. physical energy levels are good. been exercising juss fine. recovery seems better. if demons werent after me my mentals they would probably be guud too. zero bloat.. idk what else
Keto or the carnivore diets have no fiber in them hence you can get totally blocked. Not sure where you heard explosive shits. Stool softeners are a MUST when on keto.

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Keto or the carnivore diets have no fiber in them hence you can get totally blocked. Not sure where you heard explosive shits. Stool softeners are a MUST when on keto.

Trust me

i never had issues on keto. but i ate fibrous things,. i wouldnt say my fiber intake was high at all.. never had issues. not having issues now with zero fiber. explosive shits are a thing when changing to keto/carnivore. i just didnt get the carnivore one probably cause of my way of eating for months beforehand. omad with a diverse selection of foods but some days would have been keto/low carb... moderate carbs at most for the rest.. never high carb during that run..
 

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I did weigh meself this morning and I had lost another 10 pounds on top of that initial 15.2.. .. we can pretend i didnt put on that 5-8 pounds of water during that carb load the day before i started.

so i started out at 720 pounds am down to 666 for a loss of 25.2 pounds in 26 days or 17.2-22.2 pounds when adjusting for that carb/water load. This is with a cal deficit the first few days and probably closer to maintenance cals the majority cause intake went up slightly and been using a lot of ghee/duck fat/tallow/lard/schmaltz.. some days may have been above. idk.. not doing the cico macro shit

correction.. 26 days....
 

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20 min on the treadmill and 20 min on the weight machine every day and eat whatever you want. An all meat diet is for lunatics.
 

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20 min on the treadmill and 20 min on the weight machine every day and eat whatever you want. An all meat diet is for lunatics.

maybe im a lunatic.. will 40 mins burn off 12 piece fried chicken, 10 double quarter pounders and a bucket of fries?
 

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maybe im a lunatic.. will 40 mins burn off 12 piece fried chicken, 10 double quarter pounders and a bucket of fries?

Did the Quarter Pounders have Cheese?
 

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