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Ken Rosenthal reporting that Lester is down to two teams, and Cubs are on of them

As an Illini fan, I am prepared to finish second.

If he picks up a Kansas hat, I will punch his agent in the face.

LOL. I can see the big pic on the front of the sports section now...well it would be different because all the NW grads who have infiltrated the Chicago media will be bummed instead of laughing, too.
 

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Cubs should go up to $165 M if necessary. Cubs may need to give him a gross overpay. But if they are serious about changing the culture, and trying to compete this year, they have no choice.

Part of the Lester appeal is his Theo connection and WS experience. Scherzer has neither of those and he will also get more years and a higher AAV than Lester
 

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Latest report by Ken Rosenthal say its down to us and the Giants. Sources are telling him Lester has knocked his choices down to the Giants or us and Ive read he doesnt prefer the West Coast.
 

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Cubs should go up to $165 M if necessary. Cubs may need to give him a gross overpay. But if they are serious about changing the culture, and trying to compete this year, they have no choice.

Part of the Lester appeal is his Theo connection and WS experience. Scherzer has neither of those and he will also get more years and a higher AAV than Lester

No! god no! you dont need to overpay. 165 is fucking crazy. the first year of his deal is a waste,you have to hope the specs pan out in the middle years of his deal and you win a WS than you have the back couple of years in which you will be paying for what he has done before he became a cub. than add injury risk. this isnt smart. if they were in win now mode i get it. but the stars have to all allign perfect. 165...pass.

let the kids play for a full season than analyze what you have.


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No! god no! you dont need to overpay. 165 is fucking crazy. the first year of his deal is a waste,you have to hope the specs pan out in the middle years of his deal and you win a WS than you have the back couple of years in which you will be paying for what he has done before he became a cub. than add injury risk. this isnt smart. if they were in win now mode i get it. but the stars have to all allign perfect. 165...pass.

let the kids play for a full season than analyze what you have.


Regardless of how the kids play they will still need pitching. I mean Soler and Bryant are pretty good bets to be ML regulars at this point. Baez and Alcantara are the guys that may bust, or may be in the Cubs lineup for 8 years.

Look at what the Nats did for Werth. Massive overpay but it helped turn the franchise around. That's what the Cubs need. A guy like Lester gives these kids a chance to play meaningful games, and Lester will also take pressure off of them as well. And he can be a leader in the clubhouse

He is really the perfect player for the Cubs. If they want him to overlook their current situation for a year, they will need to pay him for it. The Cubs are a big market and should have a huge TV deal up and coming. They need to be competitive to maximize that and it's about time they start spending like a major market team.

Rosenthal said Lester's camp is pretty much waiting for a team to take them up on that 7th year
 

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It's down to the Cubs and Giants? He must be going to Boston
 

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It's down to the Cubs and Giants? He must be going to Boston

Ken Rosenthal is rarely wrong and he stuck by his sources, but anything can happen. Boston and the Cubs are still going to talk to Lester tonight.
 

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I'll say it again -- you do whatever it takes to land Lester. He is the culture change the team needs to turn the corner. Period. If it's a seventh year, if it's more than $25MM annual salary, you do it.
 

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I'm going to be depressed when I get out of my presentation tomorrow and get a text reading that Lester signed with the Yankees
 

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yup it's going to be a big let down when he officially signs somewhere else
 

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i say he signs with the cubs for a stupid contract...why i say its the cubs...isnt dempster an employee of the cubs? why is he on the mlb network expert panel? hmmmm....


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I'll say it again -- you do whatever it takes to land Lester. He is the culture change the team needs to turn the corner. Period. If it's a seventh year, if it's more than $25MM annual salary, you do it.

thats just dumb thinking.


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Why's that?

he wouldnt be a face of the team.

you would be essentially paying him all that money for year 1 to be meaningless and the back end of his deal to be not the 1/1a.

play the kids in 2015 and see whos hot and whos not. If certain guys are ready, fill in the roster and splash on a couple of starters.

The cubs have 2 position players that are pretty much sure things. The rest is a mystery.

it makes no sense to go 7 at 25.

the culture has changed, they are doing this full rebuild and no one knows what the outcome will be.

going for lester now is a pure gamble.

this is all not considering injuries.


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Playing the kids in 2015 does nothing to fix the pitching. You improve the team when you can. Lester isn't a free agent next year. David Price may not even hit the market. Porcello/Zimmerman could be traded and extended. Enough with the waiting
 

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No! god no! you dont need to overpay. 165 is fucking crazy. the first year of his deal is a waste,you have to hope the specs pan out in the middle years of his deal and you win a WS than you have the back couple of years in which you will be paying for what he has done before he became a cub. than add injury risk. this isnt smart. if they were in win now mode i get it. but the stars have to all allign perfect. 165...pass.

let the kids play for a full season than analyze what you have.


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They aren't signing him for ONE YEAR.

You do NOT need to be in "win now mode" in 2015 if signing him for 6 years. 2016, 2017...but if he is available NOW, and 2015 is part of the 6 years, so be it!
 

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he wouldnt be a face of the team.

What relevance does that have? The goal is to add talent. If Rizzo is the de-facto franchise guy, why should that stop adding one of the ten best starters in the majors?

you would be essentially paying him all that money for year 1 to be meaningless and the back end of his deal to be not the 1/1a.

They got 73 wins last season with essentially Castro and Rizzo carrying the offense surrounded by complimentary offerings from Valbuena and Coghlan and a bunch of scrubs. With a full season of Soler, Baez, Alcantara and Bryant... plus a deal working to land Miguel Montero, that could an intriguing offense, especially if the end up landing a short-term upgrade in left field. The bullpen was pretty damn good (and deep, to boot) and adding a TOR guy just could put them into the conversation for a wild card. Why not go for it when your expecting improvement across the board?

play the kids in 2015 and see whos hot and whos not. If certain guys are ready, fill in the roster and splash on a couple of starters.

Uh, they are going to play "the kids".... and they'll be adding Bryant by the end of Super 2 time. Not to mention the laundry list of guys still waiting in the pipeline. It's just the beginning as far as position players go. Top-tier starting pitching is the pressing need. And Lester fills that need.

The cubs have 2 position players that are pretty much sure things. The rest is a mystery.

Every season is a mystery. Year in and year you, teams that are "sure things" collapse under expectations, succumb to injuries or just flat-out underperform. So, why should that dissuade a team from going out and spending money when it's an obvious upgrade?

it makes no sense to go 7 at 25.

That's the going rate for premium starting pitching, especially a two-time World Series champion who's put up huge numbers in the AL his entire career. Oh yeah -- and he's never been injured. He's worth big money.

the culture has changed, they are doing this full rebuild and no one knows what the outcome will be.

You still need to add veteran leadership. The first two years when they're gutting the roster doesn't make sense to add payroll when they're trying to make their payroll and roster situation as transparent and flexible as possible.

going for lester now is a pure gamble.

And it won't be, hypothetically, next year when he's a year older and has another 200+ innings on his arm?

this is all not considering injuries.

Injuries aren't a concern -- he's pitched at least 190 innings every single season since 2008. He's the real deal. He's what the franchise and city needs.
 

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What relevance does that have? The goal is to add talent. If Rizzo is the de-facto franchise guy, why should that stop adding one of the ten best starters in the majors?



They got 73 wins last season with essentially Castro and Rizzo carrying the offense surrounded by complimentary offerings from Valbuena and Coghlan and a bunch of scrubs. With a full season of Soler, Baez, Alcantara and Bryant... plus a deal working to land Miguel Montero, that could an intriguing offense, especially if the end up landing a short-term upgrade in left field. The bullpen was pretty damn good (and deep, to boot) and adding a TOR guy just could put them into the conversation for a wild card. Why not go for it when your expecting improvement across the board?



Uh, they are going to play "the kids".... and they'll be adding Bryant by the end of Super 2 time. Not to mention the laundry list of guys still waiting in the pipeline. It's just the beginning as far as position players go. Top-tier starting pitching is the pressing need. And Lester fills that need.



Every season is a mystery. Year in and year you, teams that are "sure things" collapse under expectations, succumb to injuries or just flat-out underperform. So, why should that dissuade a team from going out and spending money when it's an obvious upgrade?



That's the going rate for premium starting pitching, especially a two-time World Series champion who's put up huge numbers in the AL his entire career. Oh yeah -- and he's never been injured. He's worth big money.



You still need to add veteran leadership. The first two years when they're gutting the roster doesn't make sense to add payroll when they're trying to make their payroll and roster situation as transparent and flexible as possible.



And it won't be, hypothetically, next year when he's a year older and has another 200+ innings on his arm?



Injuries aren't a concern -- he's pitched at least 190 innings every single season since 2008. He's the real deal. He's what the franchise and city needs.

what.the.****.

also since he hasnt been injured he cant? i mean he is getting older.

and winning titles in the past does not make a team better. it is not a team sport.


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Are you seriously suggesting Lester doesn't make the Cubs better?

I think Shark and Robertson made the Sox better. Why deny it?
 
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