The Tool John Jaekel continues...

[R K]

off topic but Lang had a hot wife if you ever saw her.

Great tits

 

[canucklehead]

One thing to keep in mind Canucklehead is that this team is not rebuilding, we are defending a championship. I would feel more patient and understanding if this was a rebuilding season and would feel better letting Skille grow into the role a bit. But we're trying to repeat and defend a championship and he's just not delivering results. Not sure how long Q can or will be patient with him. Probably not a lot of other choices though right now cause of our cap space situation. Also, not blaming Skille for everything, just saying he's part of the problem.

ok, well who do you propose replaces him for a total of 10 min a night? He's been hustling, and getting the shots. Eventually they will start going in, but even if they dont, the fact that those shots are being made means that the puck is in the opposition's zone, which it is awefully hard for the other team to score from, though not impossible.



No, the hawks are not in rebuild mode, but they sure as hell are in retool mode. you can't have that much offseason turnover without going into it.

 

[R K]

One thing to keep in mind Canucklehead is that this team is not rebuilding, we are defending a championship. I would feel more patient and understanding if this was a rebuilding season and would feel better letting Skille grow into the role a bit. But we're trying to repeat and defend a championship and he's just not delivering results. Not sure how long Q can or will be patient with him. Probably not a lot of other choices though right now cause of our cap space situation. Also, not blaming Skille for everything, just saying he's part of the problem.

Um losing 9 players, ACTIVE players, off your Stanley Cup roster would make MANY say this is a rebuilding year.



And Jack Skille is NOT part of the problem. Your STAR PLAYERS STEPPING FUCKING UP is part of the problem!!

 

[R K]

ok, well who do you propose replaces him for a total of 10 min a night? He's been hustling, and getting the shots. Eventually they will start going in, but even if they dont, the fact that those shots are being made means that the puck is in the opposition's zone, which it is awefully hard for the other team to score from, though not impossible.



No, the hawks are not in rebuild mode, but they sure as hell are in retool mode. you can't have that much offseason turnover without going into it.

I can't believe I'm saying a Canuck fan is smarter than a Hawk fan.



I'm going to HELL!

 

[canucklehead]

Um losing 9 players, ACTIVE players, off your Stanley Cup roster would make MANY say this is a rebuilding year.



And Jack Skille is NOT part of the problem. Your STAR PLAYERS NOT STEPPING FUCKING UP is part of the problem!!

one might say it's THE problem.



Edit: fixed and bolded for clarification)

 

[R K]

one might say it's THE problem.

My head hurts. I didn't take my stupid class today.

 

[canucklehead]

I can't believe I'm saying a Canuck fan is smarter than a Hawk fan.



I'm going to HELL!

pfft, you were on the express train long before you ever said that, and it's not going to speed it up

 

[R K]

pfft, you were on the express train long before you ever said that, and it's not going to speed it up

Oh, I think it's speeding it up. The direction of the train, was never in question!

 

[Kerfuffle]

one might say it's THE problem.

Plenty of blame to go around on the whole club I'll agree. But my patience is slim to none I must admit coming off a championship season. I like the word you used - retool. That sounds more appropriate than rebuild. Rebuild means you're starting over, retool means you're tinkering with the lineup.

 

[Tommy 0]

I can't believe I'm saying a Canuck fan is smarter than a Hawk fan.



I'm going to HELL!

Lmao Rk that is so funny of all people i never in a million years thought i would read what you typed LOL ha ha

 

[R K]

Plenty of blame to go around on the whole club I'll agree. But my patience is slim to none I must admit coming off a championship season. I like the word you used - retool. That sounds more appropriate than rebuild. Rebuild means you're starting over, retool means you're tinkering with the lineup.

I'd say 9 new players on a roster of 22 is most definitely either rebuilding or retooling. That's just shy of half the roster.



Both words mean the same thing. Problems.





My patience is slim to none too. On a lot of things. The Hawks, just winning their first Stanley Cup in 49 years is the fucking LEAST of them.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Plenty of blame to go around on the whole club I'll agree. But my patience is slim to none I must admit coming off a championship season. I like the word you used - retool. That sounds more appropriate than rebuild. Rebuild means you're starting over, retool means you're tinkering with the lineup.

I have to admit that I don't get this attitude. So do you now feel that you're somehow "entitled" to have the Hawks win again this year because they won it last year? And do you honestly expect the Hawks to repeat? I sure don't expect it. It would be a wonderful thing but it's darn near impossible to repeat as Cup champs in the cap era. Moreover, I fear that if the Hawks make another deep run in the playoffs, we're looking at the same kind or problems Detroit had last year, after making it to the Finals twice in a row. That is such a grind, giving the players almost no summer to recover. And the Hawks make their players do a lot more in the way of "face time" events than Detroit does, which gives the Hawks' players even less of a break, IMO. Lack of recovery can lead to injuries, and it becomes a vicious cycle. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks didn't make the playoffs at all this season, or if they made it only a round or two. And to my pea-brain, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because it would mean they would have some real recovery time next summer to make another strong run at the Cup next season. If they keep making it deep into the playoffs, it makes it less likely they'll have the strength or health to actually win.



Anyway, at a minimum the Hawks are retooling, and I would say that to a certain extent they're rebuilding. You don't lose as many solid players as the Hawks did without having to make major adjustments. And that's simply what happens to good teams in the cap era. Thankfully, we have Skille as a good fourth-liner to help lessen the blow. (That's my feeble attempt to keep this at least slightly on-topic.)

 

[canucklehead]

I have to admit that I don't get this attitude. So do you now feel that you're somehow "entitled" to have the Hawks win again this year because they won it last year? And do you honestly expect the Hawks to repeat? I sure don't expect it. It would be a wonderful thing but it's darn near impossible to repeat as Cup champs in the cap era.

It's been longer than that. the cap didn't come in until 2005, but there hasn't been a repeat winner since 97/98. The salary cap pretty much exasorbates the situation, making it even harder to remain competitive.

 

[Kerfuffle]

I have to admit that I don't get this attitude. So do you now feel that you're somehow "entitled" to have the Hawks win again this year because they won it last year? And do you honestly expect the Hawks to repeat? I sure don't expect it. It would be a wonderful thing but it's darn near impossible to repeat as Cup champs in the cap era. Moreover, I fear that if the Hawks make another deep run in the playoffs, we're looking at the same kind or problems Detroit had last year, after making it to the Finals twice in a row. That is such a grind, giving the players almost no summer to recover. And the Hawks make their players do a lot more in the way of "face time" events than Detroit does, which gives the Hawks' players even less of a break, IMO. Lack of recovery can lead to injuries, and it becomes a vicious cycle. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks didn't make the playoffs at all this season, or if they made it only a round or two. And to my pea-brain, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because it would mean they would have some real recovery time next summer to make another strong run at the Cup next season. If they keep making it deep into the playoffs, it makes it less likely they'll have the strength or health to actually win.



Anyway, at a minimum the Hawks are retooling, and I would say that to a certain extent they're rebuilding. You don't lose as many solid players as the Hawks did without having to make major adjustments. And that's simply what happens to good teams in the cap era. Thankfully, we have Skille as a good fourth-liner to help lessen the blow. (That's my feeble attempt to keep this at least slightly on-topic.)

I don't feel 'entitled' to anything. And no I don't expect them to repeat either. But....I do expect them to make the playoffs and right now I would say that is doubtful which is horribly disappointing. I believe that championship windows are small in any sport and when you get there you don't give it up easily - you go down kicking, screaming, and fighting. To win the cup and then not even make the playoffs the following season would be very embarrassing. I'd be happy with a round 2 appearance or more but right now I just don't see us getting in and that's a huge drop. So I'm really down right now about the whole thing.

 

[R K]

I don't feel 'entitled' to anything. And no I don't expect them to repeat either. But....I do expect them to make the playoffs and right now I would say that is doubtful which is horribly disappointing. I believe that championship windows are small in any sport and when you get there you don't give it up easily - you go down kicking, screaming, and fighting. To win the cup and then not even make the playoffs the following season would be very embarrassing. I'd be happy with a round 2 appearance or more but right now I just don't see us getting in and that's a huge drop. So I'm really down right now about the whole thing.

That could be the dumbest comment I've ever seen posted on ANY of the Hawk boards. It's LadyHawk and HF50 worthy. Without a doubt.



16 games into the fucking season you are questioning the PLAYOFFS?



Where the **** were you when this team really sucked? Where the 3-8 start was a given? Where the Circus trip was an O FOR adventure?



16 games in with the SC Champs, decimated or not, and you are questioning the fucking playoffs?



apparently the real dumb fans sit up stairs.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

I don't feel 'entitled' to anything. And no I don't expect them to repeat either. But....I do expect them to make the playoffs and right now I would say that is doubtful which is horribly disappointing. I believe that championship windows are small in any sport and when you get there you don't give it up easily - you go down kicking, screaming, and fighting. To win the cup and then not even make the playoffs the following season would be very embarrassing. I'd be happy with a round 2 appearance or more but right now I just don't see us getting in and that's a huge drop. So I'm really down right now about the whole thing.

I wouldn't be embarrassed. Why the hell would a fan be embarrassed? I mean it wouldn't be as if you personally missed the playoffs, for God's sake. I could understand the players, who have a lot of pride, being embarrassed if they don't make the playoffs but a fan? Ridiculous.

 

[R K]

I wouldn't be embarrassed. Why the hell would a fan be embarrassed? I mean it wouldn't be as if you personally missed the playoffs, for God's sake. I could understand the players, who have a lot of pride, being embarrassed if they don't make the playoffs but a fan? Ridiculous.

I'd save about 18 thousand dollars if we didn't win the Cup this year. I might be happy and sad all at the same time.



But 16 games in should missing the playoffs even be a comment any intelligent hockey fan makes? Seriously? I'm at a loss......

I must have logged in to CBH.com message board. I must have. Holy ****.

 

[canucklehead]

I don't feel 'entitled' to anything. And no I don't expect them to repeat either. But....I do expect them to make the playoffs and right now I would say that is doubtful which is horribly disappointing. I believe that championship windows are small in any sport and when you get there you don't give it up easily - you go down kicking, screaming, and fighting. To win the cup and then not even make the playoffs the following season would be very embarrassing. I'd be happy with a round 2 appearance or more but right now I just don't see us getting in and that's a huge drop. So I'm really down right now about the whole thing.

I don't know whether I should laugh, pity, or just throw my laptop out the window and be done with it. 17 games in? really? I thought the season was 82 games long. I guess we should just stop playing now and start the playoffs... oh wait, that's right, the hawks would still make the playoffs if that were to happen. it's hardly a "tank for first overall" season. Hell, even Edmonton and NJ are not in that position right now.

 

[supraman]

My head hurts. I didn't take my stupid class today.

Class is always in session in the tea party thread.



Skille is doing fine. Give him time to actually get settled. Someone mentioned Brouwer, I still don't like Brouwer. When Brouwer and Skille were getting called up their rookie seasons I felt Skille out played the shit out of Brouwer but Brouwer ultimately got the call.



I've been on the Skille bandwagon since I seen him get called up that season. All I seen was a ton of speed and hustle. I like guys that hustle, you can have all the talent in the world but if you don't try it dont matter. See Zherdev or the Russian that played for LA last year, forget his nam (Marakov maybe, doesnt sound right though), or the Russian Olympic team. All talent no hustle.



I feel this way give Jack 2 seasons, by the 2nd season if he aint got it going he aint gonna get it going.

 

[R K]

I don't know whether I should laugh, pity, or just throw my laptop out the window and be done with it. 17 games in? really? I thought the season was 82 games long. I guess we should just stop playing now and start the playoffs... oh wait, that's right, the hawks would still make the playoffs if that were to happen. it's hardly a "tank for first overall" season. Hell, even Edmonton and NJ are not in that position right now.

And here I was looking forward to beating the Canucks for the 3rd straight year. I now understand the Stanley Cup Parade the Canuckles are now planning. I really do. Get a head start because Hawk fans are already throwing in the towel... HAHAHA!!!