The Ultimate " So Its 2016 Now" Thread

[Jntg4]

Right now Rizzo is on pace for 200 strikouts. He seriously needed help in the middle of the line up to protect him and once again Theo balked at adding help for the sake of hating mid round draft picks.

Jntg4; theres no reason to slurp the hand that feeds you bullshit. There's no reason a top revenue team in MLB should be run like the Marlins.

I've told myself this upcoming offseason is Theo's make it or break it for me. He has to get a big fish. Its required. A big trade, a big signing or two. He will have the money. And even the Nationals spent money on Jason Werth during their "rebuilding." How about we stop signing the Scott Feldmans, and acquire David Price? Rays cant pay him 7 years 180 million. But guess who can? Epstein. Get Price, pay him; get 2 hitters (Cory Hart and , lose Dejesus, lose Valbuena and Iham Stewshart.

Price, Shark, and EJax is a more formidable rotation than anything Scott Feldman is near......and its a reason to go to a game. I dont want to sit around hoping Pierced Johnson becomes an A-OK #5 starter. I dont want to sit on fancy lottery tickets. I want a team put in place that doesnt look like dogshit, and doesnt make pitchers like Derek Holland look like first ballot hall of famer.

and just because its fucking hilarious; :fap:

Rizzo on pace for 200 K's? Cool. It's also a pretty damn small sample size you are looking at. "On Pace" doesn't mean shit this early.

You know why I hate the over the top Theo hate? You really want to know why I find it completely stupid and useless? Because it detracts the very sensible middle ground to the argument for me.

I do like Theo, I do have questions about how he plans to move forward now that most of his bag of tricks were negated by the CBA, and I do have questions about certain roster moves but all those questions get ignored because OMG HE INHERITED A 90 WIN TEAM AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON HE WON AND SHIT AND THEN HE HANDED OUT BAD CONTRACTS AND THAT'S WHY HE SUCKS BECAUSE NO OTHER GM IN HISTORY HAS EVER GIVEN OUT BAD MONEY TO OLD PLAYERS!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!111!!!!!!

Essentially to point out why the FA route won't work defaults to defending Theo which defaults to :fap::fap::fap:ing over Theo.

The world isn't binary, opinions have all sorts of shades of gray, and it's possible to believe in a method and still be objective about what's going on.

So.

But what about the Cubs and whyfor go after Edwin Jackson and what's the deal with not signing FA's and all this other bullshit?

Look at the FA lists and tell me who the **** you would sign to a big fucking money deal? I've looked hard for solutions the quick and easy way and they aren't there.

You know why?

Teams are drafting players, developing players, and signing those players to 10 year extensions worth big fucking money and they aren't hitting the market leaving FA to guys like Wilson fucking Betemit and Mark fucking DeRosa.

Building via free agency is a last gasp route of the desperate. You NEED to hit on your own guys. I'm sorry. That's why Chris Sale got paid. That's why Verlander got paid. That's why Patient Zero, Evan Longoria got paid.

All this other shit, "prospects are SCARY OMG," is noise. Of course prospects are scary. You still need to hit on them to have a team worth a damn.

PS: How does one rank GM's? Seriously? I don't rank GM's because I have no idea in what context they make their moves. I'm impressed by some guys, other guys I'm confused by (looking at you Towers), but do we have enough information to do a 1-10 ranking on GM's? The reason I like Theo in any regard is because I like what he's done with the Cubs scouting department, international market, and development facilities. I mean seriously the Cubs were so far below par in those departments before it's refreshing to hear about the front office talk about developing metrics and marrying them to scouts to better evaluate talent.

PPS: Sucks to lose 100, and I get that. It's also a time of change for a franchise that for too long has been conservative. Lot's of things are different now, and I respect that.

PPPS:

About Boston. 2004 was a well built team before Theo made moves to acquire guys like Bellhorn and Bill Mueller, which I know aren't flashy names, but they were nice finds that added 800 OPS to a roster and essentially made it the most taxing damn lineup to go through in the AL. 2007 featured some more Theo acquisitions but also some moves made in part by current Cubs GM Jed Hoyer. The team also featured home grown talent, some of which was Cherington, some was Theo, and well, you can make all the excuses you want about being down in the ALCS but they won 96 damn games and won the WS.

Bingo!

It's not sucking Theo's dick to agree with how the organization is run. I agree with the in general route, you guys are calling for his head before he's even made a series of several bad moves. Oh, and about how he can't run an organization well by himself, he kept the team over .500 all NINE years in Boston, and the 2007 team, only 2 players from the 2002 squad he inherited (took over in Nov. 2002) were still starters then. Only 5 for the first one, that's between position players and pitchers... it isn't that much. He was able to sustain success by building while the team was already good, the Cubs weren't at that point yet, thus it's going to take a bit longer.

You all hate all the Theo-lovers who are obsessed with him, but we don't have many of those here... we have people that tend to agree with the general direction more, and then we have you guys who are at the far far far other extreme of wanting his head. He's made bad moves, sure, but in general, this 100-ish loss team with a nice collection of prospects is better than the 75-win team with only a couple real prospects that still doesn't make the playoffs, as an organization as a whole of course.

And it isn't like they've never pursued a big name... they were supposedly in on both Fielder and Pujols, but who the hell wants to come to the team they knew was gonna suck besides them? FA's have a lot of things about them that can determine where they go, you can't force a player to come at a somewhat reasonable price all the time if they don't want to.

Oh, and Solar Flare? Really, Salami? WOW, because he is just SO bad and we'd be so much better off without him. Oh, and Concepcion barely costed shit, and if he didn't get mono, would have been at least moderately better.

There are two ends to this, all these new guys who want to kill Theo, and then there is the Theo-suckers who supposedly exist but there aren't really all that many on this site. Yes, it is possible to like some of the moves your team makes, I know, because it just sounds so awful.

 

[patg006]

Look at the FA lists and tell me who the **** you would sign to a big fucking money deal?

Prince Fielder, Nick Swisher and C.J. Wilson

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've looked hard for solutions the quick and easy way and they aren't there.

You must have looked real hard. :fap:

You know why?

Teams are drafting players, developing players, and signing those players to 10 year extensions worth big fucking money and they aren't hitting the market leaving FA to guys like Wilson fucking Betemit and Mark fucking DeRosa.

Building via free agency is a last gasp route of the desperate. You NEED to hit on your own guys. I'm sorry. That's why Chris Sale got paid. That's why Verlander got paid. That's why Patient Zero, Evan Longoria got paid.

And what about C.C. Sabathia, Mark Texiera, Victor Martinez, trades for Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer? That Prince Fielder guy? That Albert Pujols guy? That Josh Hamilton guy?

All this other shit, "prospects are SCARY OMG," is noise. Of course prospects are scary. You still need to hit on them to have a team worth a damn.

What us "haters" arent saying is ignore the farm, buy players! What were saying is; the cubs need to do BOTH. This word has been a pesky one with cubs fans. Theres no reason they should be ignoring the Major League team for the sake of building the minors. This isnt the Miami Marlins, where its build the farm then prepare to suck then lose it all. The cubs should field a competitive team, not hope a couple minors guys make it, because we will be lucky if one of these guys lives to superstar potential. You cant say "draft better" when truly, over 95% of these kids are just lottery tickets. There are few sure things, slightly more everyday things, and loads of part time things in this league; and I'm pretty generous with the 95%.

:fap: Hahaha ok im done

 

[Jntg4]

Prince Fielder, Nick Swisher and C.J. Wilson

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You must have looked real hard. :fap:



And what about C.C. Sabathia, Mark Texiera, Victor Martinez, trades for Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer? That Prince Fielder guy? That Albert Pujols guy? That Josh Hamilton guy?



What us "haters" arent saying is ignore the farm, buy players! What were saying is; the cubs need to do BOTH. This word has been a pesky one with cubs fans. Theres no reason they should be ignoring the Major League team for the sake of building the minors. This isnt the Miami Marlins, where its build the farm then prepare to suck then lose it all. The cubs should field a competitive team, not hope a couple minors guys make it, because we will be lucky if one of these guys lives to superstar potential. You cant say "draft better" when truly, over 95% of these kids are just lottery tickets. There are few sure things, slightly more everyday things, and loads of part time things in this league; and I'm pretty generous with the 95%.

:fap: Hahaha ok im done

The Cubs didn't spend 88.5 Million on major league free agents this off-season, maybe you don't think they were the best ones, but in all likelihood, how many of the best ones do you think would actually want to the come to the Cubs? I mean, Wrigley is about as desirable a place to play as O.co Coliseum with the horrible facilities (fortunately, that's one of the first things on the renovation timeline IIRC). Not making an excuse, but in all honesty, if those are the three players you actually wanted in FA, that's a pretty limited list of options in the first place. We almost signed Sanchez but he wanted to stay in Detroit (we got played :smh, EJax is at least serviceable, were in on Bourn to some extent, etc. What really kills me right now is that we were runners up for Darvish, bid the same number of dollars for Cespedes, the Dodgers record bid for Puig wasn't even the highest (who else could it have been? Probably us), and it was originally reported that we had won the posting for Ryu. That's a lot of impact talent there that we barely missed out on.

 

[KBisBack!]

Essentially to point out why the FA route won't work defaults to defending Theo which defaults to :fap::fap::fap:ing over Theo.

One minor detail you are mising.

Not one of the CBS crew that just came over has proposed the team ignore the minor league system and throw all their resources into just FA's and throw money at any and all available players.

The CBS crew has only pointed out the very realistic and reasonable opinion that the team is capable of fielding a quality major league team at the same time they work on building up the farm system.

Kinda like pretty much every other major league team does.

But the Theo slurpers somehow think that is some kind of radical and unreasonable plan and the only possible path to success is throwing all the eggs into the farm system basket.

But there are some of us who don't want to put all our eggs in one basket, either the FA basket or the prospect basket. We would like to see them divided between the two baskets.

Completely silly.

You know why?

Teams are drafting players, developing players, and signing those players to 10 year extensions worth big fucking money and they aren't hitting the market leaving FA to guys like Wilson fucking Betemit and Mark fucking DeRosa.

Prince Fielder is calling for you. A franchise 1B who hit the open market at the age of 27.

Building via free agency is a last gasp route of the desperate. You NEED to hit on your own guys. I'm sorry. That's why Chris Sale got paid. That's why Verlander got paid. That's why Patient Zero, Evan Longoria got paid.

Again, no one has said to build the team alone on free agency.

I am sorry that is too difficult for you to understand.

All this other shit, "prospects are SCARY OMG," is noise. Of course prospects are scary. You still need to hit on them to have a team worth a damn.

And the way the current plan is developing is that the Cubs will have to hit on MOST of their top prospects to make this team worth a damn.

Reality will tell you that the Cubs will be ahead of the game if one of Baez, Soler and Almora become above average major league players.

But you want to put all your eggs into that lottery ticket.

I am sorry you can not grasp the low success rate that the sacred top 100 prospects have had at the major league level.

There has been research done that has come to the conclusion that position players who are top 100 players end up being 2.5 or greater WAR players in the majors about 20% of the time and about 40% of the time they fail to produce above 0.5 WAR at the major league level and 63% of the time fail to produce over 1.5 WAR.

Pitchers are even worse.

That is why some of us question the wisdom of throwing away entire major league seasons hoping to hit that 20% chance and even one prospect making a meaningful contribution.

The odds of multiple prospects hitting that 20% all at the same time is much, much, much lower.

But you go right ahead and buying your lottery tickets as your retirement plan.

Some of us will choose to diversify our portfolios.

Wonder which one will end up being better?

 

[KBisBack!]

, you guys are calling for his head before he's even made a series of several bad moves.

Before a serious of several bad moves???

Exactly what planet are you living on??

Trading for Ian Stewart wasn't a bad move??

Trading for Chris Volstad at the cost of $18M wasn't a bad move??

Botching the trade of Dempster to Atlanta wasn't a bad move??

Botching the Marmol for Haren trade wasn't a bad move??

Resigning Ian Stewart after his horrendous season last year wasn't a bad move??

Signing Scott Feldman to a $6M deal wasn't a bad move??

Signing Scott Baker coming off Tommy John surgery who you already knew that without a setback wasn't going to be ready to start the season to a $5M deal wasn't a bad move??

Signing a no power, no throwing arm, below average baserunner like David DeJesus to play a premier offensive position in RF wasn't a bad move??

The team lost 101 games last year, but it wasn't because of a series of bad moves??

Wow, where is willrust. He would actually make sense on a rare occasion.

 

[DewsSox79]

That's fair. I would probably rank Epstein/Hoyer as somewhere in the 5-15 range myself, but I agree it is difficult to rank them. Like I said I think Friedman is pretty clearly number 1 given the resources he has worked with and the consistentcy of that team. I would throw in a few teams you didn't mention, Toronto, Oakland for example, and probably drop a few but I think we are in the same ballpark.

I know you love your Toronto'ens as they do have a good farm with a hell of a bunch of talent on the MLB roster. I guess he would be right up there as well but I feel misguided just due to how much they added and the failure factor....like if they fail I feel like antho kinda failed with this quick build. But yeah I do like his style though.

Oakland yes, without a doubt. I think BB is a little overrated in the media though. I think he has had a shit ton of help IMO and its not just him,.

 

[KBisBack!]

That's a lot of impact talent there that we barely missed out on.

I bet you think Little Red Riding Hood is a true story and that Santa Claus is real also.

 

[DewsSox79]

I think within this thread I will just talk to Dabs as everyone elses posts have become to novelish and multi quotish for me to handle. ha

 

[Jntg4]

Before a serious of several bad moves???

Exactly what planet are you living on??

Trading for Ian Stewart wasn't a bad move??

Trading for Chris Volstad at the cost of $18M wasn't a bad move??

Botching the trade of Dempster to Atlanta wasn't a bad move??

Botching the Marmol for Haren trade wasn't a bad move??

Resigning Ian Stewart after his horrendous season last year wasn't a bad move??

Signing Scott Feldman to a $6M deal wasn't a bad move??

Signing Scott Baker coming off Tommy John surgery who you already knew that without a setback wasn't going to be ready to start the season to a $5M deal wasn't a bad move??

Signing a no power, no throwing arm, below average baserunner like David DeJesus to play a premier offensive position in RF wasn't a bad move??

The team lost 101 games last year, but it wasn't because of a series of bad moves??

Wow, where is willrust. He would actually make sense on a rare occasion.

Stewart, yes it was bad
Ya, Volstad at 18 Mil, whatever, you have to look at it in the net since we dumped Zambrano in the trade
Atlanta source leaked Dempster trade, and he was unwilling to go there, wasn't botched by Theo.
Haren isn't worth much at this point in his career either, and he backed out based on Haren's medicals, pretty legit.
Right, because Stewart is making SO much money , not even a guaranteed contract
Feldman at 6 Mill isn't all that bad
Baker at 5 Mill, not that much, low risk, high reward, and you guys said bad contracts don't hamper organizations anyway
DeJesus is a pretty average player, could have done a lot worse.
We lost 101 games because of a lack of huge moves in their first off-season with the team, not because of bad moves, especially when most of them you mentioned came after that season...

 

[KBisBack!]

Stewart, yes it was bad
Ya, Volstad at 18 Mil, whatever, you have to look at it in the net since we dumped Zambrano in the trade
Atlanta source leaked Dempster trade, and he was unwilling to go there, wasn't botched by Theo.
Haren isn't worth much at this point in his career either, and he backed out based on Haren's medicals, pretty legit.
Right, because Stewart is making SO much money , not even a guaranteed contract
Feldman at 6 Mill isn't all that bad
Baker at 5 Mill, not that much, low risk, high reward, and you guys said bad contracts don't hamper organizations anyway
DeJesus is a pretty average player, could have done a lot worse.
We lost 101 games because of a lack of huge moves in their first off-season with the team, not because of bad moves, especially when most of them you mentioned came after that season...

Volstad was bad, period.

Atlanta has repeatedly denied that they leaked the trade. But that doesn't fit your agenda. Seeing as the Marmol for Haren trade got botched as well it is completely logical to put one and one together.

And yet Haren's medicals werent bad enough to stop Washington from giving him a one year deal worth like $14M. Not legit at all. But don't let the facts interfere.

Doesn't matter the money Stewart is making or not making it is the fact he was signed and the 3B position was ignored of having a legitimate major league player brought in to play the position. It is called opportunity cost. Check it out.

Feldman at any amount of money is very bad. The fact he is even on the roster is bad. At best he should be organizational depth at AAA and should only have the glass broken on in case of emergency. What we've seen the first two starts is likely what we will continue to see. Dude has thrown over 100 innings in four major league seasons and in three of the four posted an ERA over 5. He sucks.

Baker you got it backwards. Coming off Tommy John surgery he is high risk and low reward. He likely wont make the rotation until June now and that is if he doesn't have yet another setback. So that leaves about 5-6 weeks to showcase him for prospects since that is the only reason he was brought in on a one year deal. Exactly how is that low risk? Expensive contracts for players who actually play and produce (Soriano) don't hamper organizations. Contracts for injured players who were brought in as a lottery ticket hamper organizations when they end up not adding any prospects to the one basket you are counting on.

DeJesus was tied for 20th among RF's in WAR last year. Below average and by far the best of all these moves listed. That is bad.

 

[CSF77]

If they would have taken the 11.5 mil wasted on Baker a d Feldman and instead used it to sign Youk the O would have had a legit boost. Garza's injury could have been covered by Rusin as his numbers were solid in S/T. Even if he sucked it would have been better then spending 6 mil on Feldman to produce the same. Face it Feldman was signed to flip at the deadline. They were not going spend on a big hitter even tho this line up is severely lacking a core hitter.

 

[Jntg4]

Volstad was bad, period. Zambrano's fucking amazing

Atlanta has repeatedly denied that they leaked the trade. But that doesn't fit your agenda. Seeing as the Marmol for Haren trade got botched as well it is completely logical to put one and one together. Considering it was a BRAVES beat writer that leaked it, it's pretty easy to put one and one together

And yet Haren's medicals werent bad enough to stop Washington from giving him a one year deal worth like $14M. Not legit at all. But don't let the facts interfere.

Doesn't matter the money Stewart is making or not making it is the fact he was signed and the 3B position was ignored of having a legitimate major league player brought in to play the position. It is called opportunity cost. Check it out. Opportunity cost is what you give up when you make a decision, we didn't give up a chance to get someone else by signing him

Feldman at any amount of money is very bad. The fact he is even on the roster is bad. At best he should be organizational depth at AAA and should only have the glass broken on in case of emergency. What we've seen the first two starts is likely what we will continue to see. Dude has thrown over 100 innings in four major league seasons and in three of the four posted an ERA over 5. He sucks. lol

Baker you got it backwards. Coming off Tommy John surgery he is high risk and low reward. He likely wont make the rotation until June now and that is if he doesn't have yet another setback. So that leaves about 5-6 weeks to showcase him for prospects since that is the only reason he was brought in on a one year deal. Exactly how is that low risk? Expensive contracts for players who actually play and produce (Soriano) don't hamper organizations. Contracts for injured players who were brought in as a lottery ticket hamper organizations when they end up not adding any prospects to the one basket you are counting on. 5 Million is a huge risk, would never take a flyer on that. The reward is high if he rebounds as most TJS players have recently

DeJesus was tied for 20th among RF's in WAR last year. Below average and by far the best of all these moves listed. That is bad. 20th, barely below average, whatever. And most of the moves you mentioned weren't even bad, but were just depth at decent prices. But ya, we should ***** about getting Loe now too, he sucks.

If they would have taken the 11.5 mil wasted on Baker a d Feldman and instead used it to sign Youk the O would have had a legit boost. Garza's injury could have been covered by Rusin as his numbers were solid in S/T. Even if he sucked it would have been better then spending 6 mil on Feldman to produce the same. Face it Feldman was signed to flip at the deadline. They were not going spend on a big hitter even tho this line up is severely lacking a core hitter.

Right, spring stats mean everything!!! And if you consider Youkilis a big hitter we have problems here, how about that 106 OPS+ last year? Decent, not big.

 

[CSF77]

Right, spring stats mean everything!!! And if you consider Youkilis a big hitter we have problems here, how about that 106 OPS+ last year? Decent, not big.

I would concider a .327/.400/.531 start better then .188/.350/.313 (Luis Valbuena) or .000/.000/.000 (Stewie) or 0 games Baker or 0-2 6.00 ERA 2.11 WHIP Scott Failman.

And the main point is Rusin even if he faltered he would cost league min vs 6 mil to cover for Garza.


Now I would not want a long term commitment to Youk. 1-2 year max until they can get into some of the minor league depth...but signing Stewie on a discount rate was a piss poor answer.

Stop being a Theo-ologist.

 

[brett05]

I know you love your Toronto'ens as they do have a good farm with a hell of a bunch of talent on the MLB roster. I guess he would be right up there as well but I feel misguided just due to how much they added and the failure factor....like if they fail I feel like antho kinda failed with this quick build. But yeah I do like his style though.

Oakland yes, without a doubt. I think BB is a little overrated in the media though. I think he has had a shit ton of help IMO and its not just him,.

Dabs/Dews,
Just a thought. If Toronto fails this year would it be bad? Hang with me here. Take the Miami Heat. It took them a season to get things right before winning last season and making a go of it this season. What would have happened if the Marlins didn't bail after one season? Would they be in contention for the playoffs? I think sometimes when major moves are made, teams are judged too harshly after one single season.

 

[brett05]

3. Ultimately all fans of the Cubs want to both have a winning team and a good farm system. The question is how much does one sacrifice for the other because every move has a cost on both whether people want to acknowledge that or not.

Every fan of every team, Cubs or not, should want only one goal - a winning mlb team. Winning minor leagues best farm is akin to winning simulation games, if it doesn't make the mlb team a winner it's meaningless.

I agree that the attention you pay to one can affect things to the other, however, the MLB team has to get an unproportionate weight. What is that percentage? Don't know. Maybe like 80/20.

 

[Jntg4]

I would concider a .327/.400/.531 start better then .188/.350/.313 (Luis Valbuena) or .000/.000/.000 (Stewie) or 0 games Baker or 0-2 6.00 ERA 2.11 WHIP Scott Failman.

And the main point is Rusin even if he faltered he would cost league min vs 6 mil to cover for Garza.


Now I would not want a long term commitment to Youk. 1-2 year max until they can get into some of the minor league depth...but signing Stewie on a discount rate was a piss poor answer.

Stop being a Theo-ologist.

Lol right, because the sample size of like what? 10 Games means Youkilis is a fucking beast still. Better than Valbuena? Well ya, Travis Wood is a better hitter than him.

Every fan of every team, Cubs or not, should want only one goal - a winning mlb team. Winning minor leagues best farm is akin to winning simulation games, if it doesn't make the mlb team a winner it's meaningless.

I agree that the attention you pay to one can affect things to the other, however, the MLB team has to get an unproportionate weight. What is that percentage? Don't know. Maybe like 80/20.

Nobody, nobody, nobody cares about minor league records, but it is also important to have good prospects to sustain the success at the major league level. They won't all pan out, but they are a very important asset to have.

 

[KBisBack!]

Zambrano's fucking amazing

Better than Volstad. That is all that matters.

Considering it was a BRAVES beat writer that leaked it, it's pretty easy to put one and one together

It is pretty easy to put together that the Theo and Hoyer had PLENTY of time to talk to Dempster first and inform him of what was going on before he got to the ballpark in PITTSBURGH and got ambushed by the media.

Opportunity cost is what you give up when you make a decision, we didn't give up a chance to get someone else by signing him

Really??

Then please explain exactly why the Cubs have the worst 3b situation in all of baseball if they didn't give up a chance to get someone else??

5 Million is a huge risk, would never take a flyer on that. The reward is high if he rebounds as most TJS players have recently

$5M on a player coming back from major arm surgery that best case scenario would land up a medium at best prospect with a less than 10% shot at becoming a quality major league player.

Nah, no risk to that at all.

20th, barely below average, whatever. And most of the moves you mentioned weren't even bad, but were just depth at decent prices. But ya, we should ***** about getting Loe now too, he sucks.

But they weren't depth.

Depth is bench players or players at AAA you call up in case of emergency.

Most of the players I mentioned are starters or with prominent roles on the major league team.

That is quite a bit more than just depth.

And yes Loe does suck. That is why the mighty Mariners just released him.

Funny how you haven't commented on the facts of what little chance of success that the top 100 prospects have at the major league level.

But of course that would mean you would have to realize that your belief in all the eggs in the prospect basket is flat out stupid.

I thought there were some serious dumb posters over at CBS, but you have leaped to the head of the LIQIS crowd. Congrats.

 

[KBisBack!]

Every fan of every team, Cubs or not, should want only one goal - a winning mlb team..

Not Jntg4.

He thinks losing 100 games is great because the team has like 3 top 100 prospects.

Dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Theo is pissing all over his leg and telling him it isn't even raining and he is slurping it up.

Like PT Barnum said, there is a sucker born every minute.

 

[KBisBack!]

Nobody, nobody, nobody cares about minor league records, but it is also important to have good prospects to sustain the success at the major league level. They won't all pan out, but they are a very important asset to have.

And just about everyone but yourself cares about the major league record.

It is MORE important to have a quality major league roster than to have good prospects.

Sorry that you are having such difficultly grasping the most basic of concepts.

 

[Jntg4]

And just about everyone but yourself cares about the major league record.

It is MORE important to have a quality major league roster than to have good prospects.

Sorry that you are having such difficultly grasping the most basic of concepts.

Don't give a **** if it is 80 or 100 losses because neither makes playoffs.

What do those extra 20 wins get you?

90 vs. 80 matters, 80 vs. 100 does not, it amounts to the same thing.