The Ultimate " So Its 2016 Now" Thread

[MRubio52]

Prince Fielder, Nick Swisher and C.J. Wilson

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You must have looked real hard. :fap:



And what about C.C. Sabathia, Mark Texiera, Victor Martinez, trades for Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer? That Prince Fielder guy? That Albert Pujols guy? That Josh Hamilton guy?



What us "haters" arent saying is ignore the farm, buy players! What were saying is; the cubs need to do BOTH. This word has been a pesky one with cubs fans. Theres no reason they should be ignoring the Major League team for the sake of building the minors. This isnt the Miami Marlins, where its build the farm then prepare to suck then lose it all. The cubs should field a competitive team, not hope a couple minors guys make it, because we will be lucky if one of these guys lives to superstar potential. You cant say "draft better" when truly, over 95% of these kids are just lottery tickets. There are few sure things, slightly more everyday things, and loads of part time things in this league; and I'm pretty generous with the 95%.

:fap: Hahaha ok im done

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

look harder.

 

[MRubio52]

This isn't about past free agents, this is about what the **** are the Cubs going to buy in the future.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

 

[KBisBack!]

Don't give a **** if it is 80 or 100 losses because neither makes playoffs.

What do those extra 20 wins get you?

90 vs. 80 matters, 80 vs. 100 does not, it amounts to the same thing.

What do those extra 20 wins get you??

A team that is 20 games closer to making the playoffs, so even if you don't make the playoffs that year you have less improvement needed to make the playoffs the next year.

Pretty simple isn't it??

But I guess you probably think it will be easier to take a 65 win team and make it a playoff team than a 85 win team.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[KBisBack!]

This isn't about past free agents, this is about what the **** are the Cubs going to buy in the future.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

I know this probably seems too complicated for you to grasp, but if the team had already gotten some of the previous quality free agents that would mean they would need less of them in the future.

Kinda funny how that works that if you already have better players you need to add less of them in the future.

 

[DewsSox79]

So now it's 2016

Dabs/Dews,
Just a thought. If Toronto fails this year would it be bad? Hang with me here. Take the Miami Heat. It took them a season to get things right before winning last season and making a go of it this season. What would have happened if the Marlins didn't bail after one season? Would they be in contention for the playoffs? I think sometimes when major moves are made, teams are judged too harshly after one single season.

i can agree with that

 

[brett05]

Don't (care) if it is 80 or 100 losses because neither makes playoffs.

What do those extra 20 wins get you?

90 vs. 80 matters, 80 vs. 100 does not, it amounts to the same thing.

Uhm, in the NL it could mean the difference between being one of the two WC teams and not making the playoffs. 82 win team could very well be playoff bound in the NL it would appear.

 

[Jntg4]

Uhm, in the NL it could mean the difference between being one of the two WC teams and not making the playoffs. 82 win team could very well be playoff bound in the NL it would appear.

No.

 

[KBisBack!]

No.

Glad you look at things realistically and with an open mind lol

This is probably before your time, but the Cardinals won the World Series in 2006 after winning 83 games in the regular season.

But you simply dismiss those facts and throw your sippy cup because it doesn't fit your agenda that the only reasonable course of action is to try and improve from 60 wins to 90 wins in one offseason with a magical influx of prospects who all become All Stars in their rookie seasons.

Never thought I would say this, but thank god for the White Sox fans around here.

 

[Jntg4]

Glad you look at things realistically and with an open mind lol

This is probably before your time, but the Cardinals won the World Series in 2006 after winning 83 games in the regular season.

But you simply dismiss those facts and throw your sippy cup because it doesn't fit your agenda that the only reasonable course of action is to try and improve from 60 wins to 90 wins in one offseason with a magical influx of prospects who all become All Stars in their rookie seasons.

Never thought I would say this, but thank god for the White Sox fans around here.

That won the division, he's talking about the wild card anyway. You think the Reds and Cardinals are both finishing with 82 or less wins this year?

 

[KBisBack!]

That won the division, he's talking about the wild card anyway. You think the Reds and Cardinals are both finishing with 82 or less wins this year?

Anything is possible unless you don't even try.

Did you think the Orioles were going to win 93 games last year and eliminate the two time defending AL Champion Rangers in the Wild Card game?

But they didn't simply throw their hands in the air before the season and think there is no way that they could finish ahead of the Yanks, Red Sox and Rays.

The attitude you have of something seems too hard or unlikely to do so why even try is pretty sad. That will be a great lesson to teach your kids. Don't even try something if it seems too hard or unlikely to happen.

 

[brett05]

And even if 82 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs, that would make a team probably one impact FA signing away from 5 more wins and a playoff birth the following season.

 

[CSF77]

This isn't about past free agents, this is about what the **** are the Cubs going to buy in the future.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html

Seeing how they are playing the 2016 BS I would expect more easily flipped F/A's.

Going into 2014 I would expect B. Jaxx in CF. RF open again. 3B open again. They again will have a need at SP with Garza sold. I don't believe the will invest into low returns in the pen. Also I seriously doubt they will be able to sell off Sori's last year.

Upwelling they will have Watkins ready. So they might sell Barney. Not sure to be honest. Watkins becomes UI most likely. Vitters and Lake I do not believe they make the team.

So seems like a repeat from last year. RF, 3B and 1 SP. I doubt that Baker re-ups if healthy and they Cubs wont play for another re-hab if he is injured all next year.


Now what I would do: Trade for Price and Headley and push the fast foward button...they wont do it as it kills the system depth. Baez and Almora would be gone and most likely Pierce Johnson and another arm. They wont do that even though it would get this team on the right track to let the farm naturally progress while winning. (like most quality teams do)

What I believe they do:

Shin-Soo Choo if they can get him at low cost. They may (and would be smart) to retain Nate Schierholtz.

3B Christian Villanueva should be in Iowa. I believe he is their targeted 3B.

If it is me I sign Youk for 2014. Michael Young, Juan Uribe, Placido Polanco all suitable players for the year.

Of course Vitters or Lake may get healthy and blow up AAA. Not holding my breath.

 

[nwfisch]

And even if 82 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs, that would make a team probably one impact FA signing away from 5 more wins and a playoff birth the following season.

Yeah some people want to wait for the perfect FA to come to the Cubs...there is no perfect FA either.

Though generally a guy like Alfonso Soriano has earned his contract prior to signing with the Cubs, the Cubs took a risk on his skillset. That failed, but that doesn't mean the Cubs should avoid FA risk either.

Same with prospects, though I think there is some truth to the point that many prospects fail. The best ballplayer I saw live was Albert Pujols and he was drafted in the 13th round.

 

[Jntg4]

Anything is possible unless you don't even try.

Did you think the Orioles were going to win 93 games last year and eliminate the two time defending AL Champion Rangers in the Wild Card game?

But they didn't simply throw their hands in the air before the season and think there is no way that they could finish ahead of the Yanks, Red Sox and Rays.

The attitude you have of something seems too hard or unlikely to do so why even try is pretty sad. That will be a great lesson to teach your kids. Don't even try something if it seems too hard or unlikely to happen.

The Orioles winning 93 games I guess proves the point that how far under .500 the year before doesn't always matter... but then again, surprises happen, doesn't mean the same could always happen for us

 

[Jntg4]

Vitters had a solid year in the minors last year, and is still young for the level, I could see him doing something there, Lake I see no future in (not really one in Vitters either).

Lake is an enigma though, there's still that slight chance in harnessing his potential and some like him, but for as much as I follow our minors, just don't see much in him. Wouldn't hold my breath on either of them. I like Villanueva, but his bat needs improving. Think Baez is more of the target 3B from the farm, not Villanueva.

Fisch, and then Piazza in the 60th-something round that no longer exists.

 

[brett05]

3B Christian Villanueva should be in Iowa. I believe he is their targeted 3B.

I nearly had an accident when reading this. :rolling:

If it is me I sign Youk for 2014.

I think Youkie signed for two season with the Yanks.

 

[Jntg4]

I nearly had an accident when reading this. :rolling:


I think Youkie signed for two season with the Yanks.

:yep:

 

[Capt. Serious]

I nearly had an accident when reading this. :rolling:


I think Youkie signed for two season with the Yanks.

No he didn't. He signed a 1 yr deal.

 

[patg006]

I nearly had an accident when reading this. :rolling:


I think Youkie signed for two season with the Yanks.

Youk signed for 1 year 13 million with the Yankees. Not 2.

 

[patg006]

The Orioles winning 93 games I guess proves the point that how far under .500 the year before doesn't always matter... but then again, surprises happen, doesn't mean the same could always happen for us

Of the 93 games Baltimore won, they were 29-9 in 1 run games. That's not happening again.

Cubs are nowhere near that. Baltimore could knock in runs when they were on 2nd base. They advanced runners, and they played their good players who produced instead of benching them like Sveum does for the sake of lefty-righty matchups. Their bullpen didnt suck, and they didnt have a braindead manager who kept riding shitty bullpen players.

I like to think that makes a difference