Thomas Brown for Head Coach

[knoxville7]

This forum is for us to talk about jackass. Lions fans used to talk about the same shit even as they sucked for 70 years because that is what fans do. You just dont know that because you arent welcomed by real Lions fans.

well, which part of the jackass is your favorite?!

 

[bamainatlanta]

well, which part of the jackass is your favorite?!

I mean there are so many great jackass movies

 

[jsu34]

this thread is about Brown as the HC. Of course its about what could happen.

You'd be wise to focus on Brown and not twist yourself in knots trying to prove what didn't happen with CW is somehow Brown's shortcoming.

It's already widely agreed and accepted that there was improvement in the qb when Brown was promoted to OC.

As HC, he had a very rough outing in his first game. This says as much about him as it does the players who couldn't wait to get Flus gone, yet made zero effort to show it on the field under Brown.

He's got till the end of the season to show something. But I'm sure he's not worried about what didn't happen in previous games.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I honestly don't think Brown has a shot to be HC. Some people here got big mad when I said he would have to go 5-0, but my feeling is Kevin Warren is dying to make a big splash, and Brown isn't that. It's going to be Johnson or Vrabel, or unfortunately that HC from Notre Dame - at least unless all 3 tell the Bears to eff off. Only way I think Brown gets it is if the Bears are so radioactive that no big splash name wants to come here. But he'd be a guy the Bears circle back to, and far from their top choice.

 

[remydat]

All of this that you posted is just speculation on your part and goes against what they actually said they use for a TPI.. You are just making things up at this
point.

For quarterbacks, turnover-worthy plays happen in two main ways: either by making a pass that is highly likely to be intercepted or by failing to secure the ball, leading to a fumble.

Not all turnover-worthy plays are equal. PFF's grading system captures the different levels of poor throws, ranging from a late pass that allows a defender to break on the ball to a misread where the ball is thrown directly to a defender or an easy interception handed directly to the defense.

The only way the 2nd paragraph can be consistent with the first paragraph is if the bolded items result in a high chance of an interception. So it doesnt matter if the DB makes a break on the ball or the ball is thrown directly at a defender if it doesnt result in having a high chance at an interception. And you can't have a high chance at an interception if the WR knocks the ball away or it is too high for the DB to catch or the DB and WR collide with each other before he can catch the ball. For it to be a high chance of being intercepted it has to have a good chance of being caught based on all other things being equal.

So your stupidity is in pretending the above claims the WR is not factored in. Nowhere does it say this. So you are stupidly assuming/SPECULATING you ignore the impact of the WR while I am saying you cant. There isnt enough info above to definitively prove who is right. I however have evidence I am right because PFF only had 1 TWP and not the 3 or 4 you tried to claim with those dumb photos.

Correct its stupid

No it isnt stupid at all as I never made a comparison to Waldron. All I did is give stats under Brown. I would never directly compare Ints under Brown and Waldron because ints that are clearly inaccurate throws are not the result of scheme. So your premise is stupid.

and the 2.3% would be compared to a more accurate 5.4% (and thats just fixing PFF mistakes in the lions game so might be a even worse looking at the GB game as well) so yeah pretty big jump.

And this is where we know you are a biased idiot. You cant just increase the 2.6% to 5.4% based on your personal assessment of the Lions game but then leave the 2.3% alone. You would have to watch all the Waldron and Brown games and make adjustments for passes PFF did not have as TWPs that would be TWPs under your dumbass interpretation. You would also need to do this for all QBs so you can see how Caleb's rate compares to other QBs.

So please go review all the NFL games and make adjustments to all QBs and tell us your results of how Caleb ranks under Waldron and Brown vs all other QBs. Until then I will stick to PFF because they have a consistent method they apply to all games and all QBs. They arent trying to judge Brown games differently than Waldron games like you just tried to.

I have been pretty vocal about his erratic accuracy. But part of the OC developing him is to help fix that not make it worse.

Finally your claim was that the interceptions where due to the OCs scheme or system. An OC helping a QB with accuracy isnt a scheme or system thing jackass. It is typically an issue of footwork, mechanics, etc. Imagine being a dumbass and not knowing the difference between scheme/system and QB mechanics/footwork.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Keenan Allen is technically the #2 WR. He is 2nd on the team with 84 targets despite missing games.

Huge overpay, maybe one of the worse #2's in the NFL

 

[bamainatlanta]

Huge overpay, maybe one of the worse #2's in the NFL

lol. He’s done this year. Not sure what your point is.

 

[nc0gnet0]

lol. He’s done this year. Not sure what your point is.

Rather have Tim Patrick

 

[bamainatlanta]

Rather have Tim Patrick

K thanks. I’d rather have a veteran giving Caleb giving advice and mentorship, which he’s been doing.

 

[remydat]

K thanks. I’d rather have a veteran giving Caleb giving advice and mentorship, which he’s been doing.

I mean if Caleb ever gets injured Patrick is the guy to talk to about how to cope with injuries.

And Jameson can teach him about gambling and steroids.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I mean if Caleb ever gets injured Patrick is the guy to talk to about how to cope with injuries.

And Jameson can teach him about gambling and steroids.

No worries, you already got DJ and Keenan to teach him how to quit on plays.

 

[remydat]

No worries, you already got DJ and Keenan to teach him how to quit on plays.

Even better you can talk to him about the dangers of quitting on the Bears because fans are mean. Would be useful for him to see the consequences of being a sensitive ***** from someone living those consequences.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Even better you can talk to him about the dangers of quitting on the Bears because fans are mean. Would be useful for him to see the consequences of being a sensitive ***** from someone living those consequences.

Not sure if the Bears fans are any more mean than any other fanbase, but, using you as an example, they are quite a bit more stupid.

Chase says hi.

 

[mecha]

Not sure if the Bears fans are any more mean than any other fanbase, but, using you as an example, they are quite a bit more stupid.

Chase says hi.

Eagles fans attacked Santa. that sounds pretty next level mean.

 

[remydat]

Not sure if the Bears fans are any more mean than any other fanbase, but, using you as an example, they are quite a bit more stupid.

Chase says hi.

So doesnt that make you an even bigger ***** for quiting on the Bears?

 

[nc0gnet0]

So doesn't that make me an even bigger ***** for not quitting on the Bears?

*quitting
* doesn't

and FIFY
you're welcome

 

[knoxville7]

For quarterbacks, turnover-worthy plays happen in two main ways: either by making a pass that is highly likely to be intercepted or by failing to secure the ball, leading to a fumble.

Not all turnover-worthy plays are equal. PFF's grading system captures the different levels of poor throws, ranging from a late pass that allows a defender to break on the ball to a misread where the ball is thrown directly to a defender or an easy interception handed directly to the defense.

The only way the 2nd paragraph can be consistent with the first paragraph is if the bolded items result in a high chance of an interception. So it doesnt matter if the DB makes a break on the ball or the ball is thrown directly at a defender if it doesnt result in having a high chance at an interception. And you can't have a high chance at an interception if the WR knocks the ball away or it is too high for the DB to catch or the DB and WR collide with each other before he can catch the ball. For it to be a high chance of being intercepted it has to have a good chance of being caught based on all other things being equal.

So your stupidity is in pretending the above claims the WR is not factored in. Nowhere does it say this. So you are stupidly assuming/SPECULATING you ignore the impact of the WR while I am saying you cant. There isnt enough info above to definitively prove who is right. I however have evidence I am right because PFF only had 1 TWP and not the 3 or 4 you tried to claim with those dumb photos.



No it isnt stupid at all as I never made a comparison to Waldron. All I did is give stats under Brown. I would never directly compare Ints under Brown and Waldron because ints that are clearly inaccurate throws are not the result of scheme. So your premise is stupid.



And this is where we know you are a biased idiot. You cant just increase the 2.6% to 5.4% based on your personal assessment of the Lions game but then leave the 2.3% alone. You would have to watch all the Waldron and Brown games and make adjustments for passes PFF did not have as TWPs that would be TWPs under your dumbass interpretation. You would also need to do this for all QBs so you can see how Caleb's rate compares to other QBs.

So please go review all the NFL games and make adjustments to all QBs and tell us your results of how Caleb ranks under Waldron and Brown vs all other QBs. Until then I will stick to PFF because they have a consistent method they apply to all games and all QBs. They arent trying to judge Brown games differently than Waldron games like you just tried to.

Finally your claim was that the interceptions where due to the OCs scheme or system. An OC helping a QB with accuracy isnt a scheme or system thing jackass. It is typically an issue of footwork, mechanics, etc. Imagine being a dumbass and not knowing the difference between scheme/system and QB mechanics/footwork.

Anybody actually read this?! You know there’s a missed comma or two in there!

 

[dbldrew]

For quarterbacks, turnover-worthy plays happen in two main ways: either by making a pass that is highly likely to be intercepted or by failing to secure the ball, leading to a fumble.

Not all turnover-worthy plays are equal. PFF's grading system captures the different levels of poor throws, ranging from a late pass that allows a defender to break on the ball to a misread where the ball is thrown directly to a defender or an easy interception handed directly to the defense.

The only way the 2nd paragraph can be consistent with the first paragraph is if the bolded items result in a high chance of an interception. So it doesnt matter if the DB makes a break on the ball or the ball is thrown directly at a defender if it doesnt result in having a high chance at an interception. And you can't have a high chance at an interception if the WR knocks the ball away or it is too high for the DB to catch or the DB and WR collide with each other before he can catch the ball. For it to be a high chance of being intercepted it has to have a good chance of being caught based on all other things being equal.

So your stupidity is in pretending the above claims the WR is not factored in. Nowhere does it say this. So you are stupidly assuming/SPECULATING you ignore the impact of the WR while I am saying you cant. There isnt enough info above to definitively prove who is right. I however have evidence I am right because PFF only had 1 TWP and not the 3 or 4 you tried to claim with those dumb photos.



No it isnt stupid at all as I never made a comparison to Waldron. All I did is give stats under Brown. I would never directly compare Ints under Brown and Waldron because ints that are clearly inaccurate throws are not the result of scheme. So your premise is stupid.



And this is where we know you are a biased idiot. You cant just increase the 2.6% to 5.4% based on your personal assessment of the Lions game but then leave the 2.3% alone. You would have to watch all the Waldron and Brown games and make adjustments for passes PFF did not have as TWPs that would be TWPs under your dumbass interpretation. You would also need to do this for all QBs so you can see how Caleb's rate compares to other QBs.

So please go review all the NFL games and make adjustments to all QBs and tell us your results of how Caleb ranks under Waldron and Brown vs all other QBs. Until then I will stick to PFF because they have a consistent method they apply to all games and all QBs. They arent trying to judge Brown games differently than Waldron games like you just tried to.

Finally your claim was that the interceptions where due to the OCs scheme or system. An OC helping a QB with accuracy isnt a scheme or system thing jackass. It is typically an issue of footwork, mechanics, etc. Imagine being a dumbass and not knowing the difference between scheme/system and QB mechanics/footwork.

That's a HUGE post about you trying to justify your speculation on what a TPI is.. please post what PFF said on the WR being there. Thanks..

Otherwise it's just all nonsense from you again

Also the 2.3 vs 5.4 is my assessment because me saying the ball getting thrown to the wrong team IS my assessment. I have watched all the games and the ball went to the wrong team significantly more after Brown took over. I posted 7 pictures in just 1 game, you want to post multiple pictures per game without Brown where the ball went to the wrong team, to prove it has been the same then go for it.

 

[remydat]

That's a HUGE post about you trying to justify your speculation on what a TPI is.. please post what PFF said on the WR being there. Thanks..

Otherwise it's just all nonsense from you again

Also the 2.3 vs 5.4 is my assessment because me saying the ball getting thrown to the wrong team IS my assessment. I have watched all the games and the ball went to the wrong team significantly more after Brown took over. I posted 7 pictures in just 1 game, you want to post multiple pictures per game without Brown where the ball went to the wrong team, to prove it has been the same then go for it.

Please post PFF saying they dont consider the WR.

Did you go through all the games included in the 2.3 like you did the Lions game? If not then your analysis is biased and dishonest. You need to apply the same methodology to the Lions game to all the games. Sorry.

I dont need to post anything. I am using PFF who has applied the same methodology to all games. It is your being dishonest in your methodology.

 

[dbldrew]

Please post PFF saying they dont consider the WR.

Did you go through all the games included in the 2.3 like you did the Lions game? If not then your analysis is biased and dishonest. You need to apply the same methodology to the Lions game to all the games. Sorry.

I dont need to post anything. I am using PFF who has applied the same methodology to all games. It is your being dishonest in your methodology.

I can't post a negative dumbass. You are saying PFF is using something they didn't say they use in their definition. It's up to you to post proof they said it somewhere else.

Otherwise it's just complete BS speculation on your part.

Yes I have gone through all the games.

And you using PFF to counter what I said doesn't work because it's a proven inaccurate source. So your going to have to do better then a proven inaccurate source. Post similar examples of games like I did. Otherwise I accept you conceding you do not have a counter argument.