Trade deadline banter

[Adipost]

Accually it makes too much sense. Lets say the Cubs offer is Caritini and Candi with a arm like Zast (started in AAA and proved to be not that bad shockingly) and Butler. That nets Det 4 players with MLB innings in. IMO that is about the offer that Theo pushes and seeing how they are a 1 realistic team trade partner Det would have to accept it. Now there is no blue chip but it has depth and very little developmental time taken back. Honestly it could end up a steal for Det because Cart and Candy are top 6 prospects in their positions.

Replacing Arrieta with an older and more expensive Verlander makes too much sense?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Accually it makes too much sense. Lets say the Cubs offer is Caritini and Candi with a arm like Zast (started in AAA and proved to be not that bad shockingly) and Butler. That nets Det 4 players with MLB innings in. IMO that is about the offer that Theo pushes and seeing how they are a 1 realistic team trade partner Det would have to accept it. Now there is no blue chip but it has depth and very little developmental time taken back. Honestly it could end up a steal for Det because Cart and Candy are top 6 prospects in their positions.

There's a lot I disagree with in your proposal. First Butler is not worth anything but as a throw in right now so I keep him. I'm far from giving up on the guy in favor of a fringey prospect like Tseng anyway. I'd bring in another Anderson type reclamation as 5 next year and let him compete with Butler, Tseng and maybe Montgomery. Or I just sign 2 of the 4's out there in FA if we don't get a guy now. For Verlander and Avila I offer Caratini, Zagunis and Underwood with them picking up $26 mil of the approximately $66 mil owed. I could be compelled to substitute Candelario for Zagunis. Maybe the Dodgers are nuts and offer something real. You can't compete with that so I'm not going to try.

To me Verlander is Hendricks insurance this year and Lackey's replacement next year. At $20 mil AAV that's well worth a bunch of guys who will never help this team. More than that though and it isn't. I was pretty convinced Verlander would be a Cub until I heard late last night that they're asking the Dodgers for Alex Verdugo. That's insane. If Detroit gets real I'm in, if not screw it. See what Minnesota wants for Garcia as an insurance policy and cross your fingers on Hendricks. Plenty of 4s in FA for 2018.

 

[CSF77]

There's a lot I disagree with in your proposal. First Butler is not worth anything but as a throw in right now so I keep him. I'm far from giving up on the guy in favor of a fringey prospect like Tseng anyway. I'd bring in another Anderson type reclamation as 5 next year and let him compete with Butler, Tseng and maybe Montgomery. Or I just sign 2 of the 4's out there in FA if we don't get a guy now. For Verlander and Avila I offer Caratini, Zagunis and Underwood with them picking up $26 mil of the approximately $66 mil owed. I could be compelled to substitute Candelario for Zagunis. Maybe the Dodgers are nuts and offer something real. You can't compete with that so I'm not going to try.

To me Verlander is Hendricks insurance this year and Lackey's replacement next year. At $20 mil AAV that's well worth a bunch of guys who will never help this team. More than that though and it isn't. I was pretty convinced Verlander would be a Cub until I heard late last night that they're asking the Dodgers for Alex Verdugo. That's insane. If Detroit gets real I'm in, if not screw it. See what Minnesota wants for Garcia as an insurance policy and cross your fingers on Hendricks. Plenty of 4s in FA for 2018.

The only 2 guys that I wouldn't deal on the farm is Alzolay and Albertos. The rest are open to deal.

I wouldn't trade any core player. Verlander is owed too much going into his late 30's.

Also Det has posted what they will absorb so there is no 36 mil cut going on. They are looking to lop off payroll here. That is why they can not get any top 50 prospects in return and also blocked out all small markets. Then with Ver's full no trade it blocks out non contenders and Denver.

So the landing spots are really LAD and CHC. That really is it and the Cubs are not going to weaken themselves to get a albatross

 

[anotheridiot]

Replacing Arrieta with an older and more expensive Verlander makes too much sense?

Do you really think Jakes new deal is going to be less expensive than Verlander? Jake sees his past few seasons as money they owe him when he was performing like a 25 million dollar ace and only getting 10. Part of Jakes deal are for services rendered. I dont think anyone sees Verlander as replacing Jake, its replacing Lackey.

 

[CSF77]

Replacing Arrieta with an older and more expensive Verlander makes too much sense?

Jake is going to cost way more than what is owed to Verlander. And Jake is off and on. Expect him to command 25-30 mil per also. But that amount going for 6+ years vs 2.

Verlander still has good stuff. The results have been off. He hit 99 and works at 96. Last year he had less velocity but better results due to pitching to weak zones and sequencing.

So it might be he fell back to his velocity when it came back and went away from what he did last year. I'm not sure to be honest. Q also had bad exit numbers then put in a new environment he took off. Could end up the same.

So the way I look at it is it makes the staff better and puts next year's rotation at 4 known vs 3 known. This year you have to start looking up at Washington. That is looking like the 5 game series. So they have to start matching up with them. I feel pretty good with Lester, Q and Jake myself. And that is really all they need there. After that series the match up would be vs one of 3 WC teams. All 3 are pretty loaded with pitching so they have to be 4 deep. 1 weak link will kill ya.

That is not even getting into the series.

But if Hendricks is hovering around 85 and your best option is Lackey you might as well sit it out

 

[TC in Mississippi]

The only 2 guys that I wouldn't deal on the farm is Alzolay and Albertos. The rest are open to deal.

I wouldn't trade any core player. Verlander is owed too much going into his late 30's.

Also Det has posted what they will absorb so there is no 36 mil cut going on. They are looking to lop off payroll here. That is why they can not get any top 50 prospects in return and also blocked out all small markets. Then with Ver's full no trade it blocks out non contenders and Denver.

So the landing spots are really LAD and CHC. That really is it and the Cubs are not going to weaken themselves to get a albatross

The hold up is the money according to everything I've heard and read. They want to unload the money and get prospects because they overvalue him. I get that, he's been their franchise along with Cabrera, but that's over now. I'd add to your list though with De La Cruz and Isaac Paredes. The Cubs consider De La Cruz their best pitcher in the minors and outside of BA Paredes is putting up nearly identical numbers .259/.341/.401 .341 wOBA, 112 wRC+ to Gleyber Torres at that level .293/.353/.386, .345 wOBA, 116 wRC+ and I'd like to see him hang around to see if he makes that next leap like Torres did. Not to mention that Paredes K% is only 14% to Torres' 21% at that time. Paredes is a different type of player and likely destined for 3B but he's really shown something this year.

 

[Adipost]

Jake is going to cost way more than what is owed to Verlander. And Jake is off and on. Expect him to command 25-30 mil per also. But that amount going for 6+ years vs 2.

Verlander still has good stuff. The results have been off. He hit 99 and works at 96. Last year he had less velocity but better results due to pitching to weak zones and sequencing.

So it might be he fell back to his velocity when it came back and went away from what he did last year. I'm not sure to be honest. Q also had bad exit numbers then put in a new environment he took off. Could end up the same.

So the way I look at it is it makes the staff better and puts next year's rotation at 4 known vs 3 known. This year you have to start looking up at Washington. That is looking like the 5 game series. So they have to start matching up with them. I feel pretty good with Lester, Q and Jake myself. And that is really all they need there. After that series the match up would be vs one of 3 WC teams. All 3 are pretty loaded with pitching so they have to be 4 deep. 1 weak link will kill ya.

That is not even getting into the series.

But if Hendricks is hovering around 85 and your best option is Lackey you might as well sit it out

Verlander is old, he will fall off a cliff at any moment. 28 mil per year for that kind of a gamble is ridiculous.

 

[CSF77]

The hold up is the money according to everything I've heard and read. They want to unload the money and get prospects because they overvalue him. I get that, he's been their franchise along with Cabrera, but that's over now. I'd add to your list though with De La Cruz and Isaac Paredes. The Cubs consider De La Cruz their best pitcher in the minors and outside of BA Paredes is putting up nearly identical numbers .259/.341/.401 .341 wOBA, 112 wRC+ to Gleyber Torres at that level .293/.353/.386, .345 wOBA, 116 wRC+ and I'd like to see him hang around to see if he makes that next leap like Torres did. Not to mention that Paredes K% is only 14% to Torres' 21% at that time. Paredes is a different type of player and likely destined for 3B but he's really shown something this year.

I'm not high on Paredes honestly. Or any MI to be honest. It is because of Bryant, Russell and Baez. Not the player in general.

 

[CSF77]

Verlander is old, he will fall off a cliff at any moment. 28 mil per year for that kind of a gamble is ridiculous.

If he was pounding 88 I would agree.

Old Nolen would paddle you for that

 

[Adipost]

If he was pounding 88 I would agree.

Old Nolen would paddle you for that

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm not high on Paredes honestly. Or any MI to be honest. It is because of Bryant, Russell and Baez. Not the player in general.

This is so far down the road as to be hardly worth a mention but my feeling has been that there is no way they can re-sign two Boras clients in the same year as they would have to with Bryant and Russell, so in turn I've always expected Russell to be traded at some point so guys like Paredes and Ademan are of great interest to me. I struggle to understand how they're going to afford Bryant on his own although I assume they'll figure out a way to do that. Shit, some people that I trust really think they'll take a hard look at Harper for 2019 so maybe money shouldn't be a concern and yet they keep making noises about how they intend to get below and stay below the luxury tax. Again though it's so far off it's not worth more than these few sentences.

 

[CSF77]

This is so far down the road as to be hardly worth a mention but my feeling has been that there is no way they can re-sign two Boras clients in the same year as they would have to with Bryant and Russell, so in turn I've always expected Russell to be traded at some point so guys like Paredes and Ademan are of great interest to me. I struggle to understand how they're going to afford Bryant on his own although I assume they'll figure out a way to do that. Shit, some people that I trust really think they'll take a hard look at Harper for 2019 so maybe money shouldn't be a concern and yet they keep making noises about how they intend to get below and stay below the luxury tax. Again though it's so far off it's not worth more than these few sentences.

Bryant should command 30 per

Russell is tied to Boras but that doesn't mean much unless he has the numbers to back it. Last year he capitalized on the OBA ahead of himself. This year his bat has been a non factor.

So he is not going to command squat right now.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Bryant should command 30 per

Russell is tied to Boras but that doesn't mean much unless he has the numbers to back it. Last year he capitalized on the OBA ahead of himself. This year his bat has been a non factor.

So he is not going to command squat right now.

I don't believe Russell is going to stay that way though. I think he's young and his personal issues have played a part this year. If Harper gets 12/$500 mil then Bryant probably gets 10/$350 mil. This is why I don't think Harper is possible but supposedly his list of teams that he wants to play for is a short one, maybe if he wanted to play here he'd take less than that gaudy number? I don't know.

 

[Diehardfan]

I don't believe Russell is going to stay that way though. I think he's young and his personal issues have played a part this year. If Harper gets 12/$500 mil then Bryant probably gets 10/$350 mil. This is why I don't think Harper is possible but supposedly his list of teams that he wants to play for is a short one, maybe if he wanted to play here he'd take less than that gaudy number? I don't know.

Good Lord, how much money can you spend in a lifetime?

 

[CSF77]

Good Lord, how much money can you spend in a lifetime?

Big Stylez

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Good Lord, how much money can you spend in a lifetime?

The numbers are absurd but they're the ones being bandied about. The Nationals leaked that Boras told them that conversations for Harper started at $400 mil, Boras went around telling friends that was incorrect, talks started at $450 mil. Giancarlo Stanton's $325 mil contract should be a warning to other teams but we all know it won't be.

 

[chibears55]

Cross AJ Ramos off board for Cubs..

Mets for whatever reason just traded for him...

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

 

[CSF77]

Cross AJ Ramos off board for Cubs..

Mets for whatever reason just traded for him...

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

He has control past this year and it lets them be able to trade Reed.

 

[chibears55]

He has control past this year and it lets them be able to trade Reed.

FA 2018...

I always wondered why teams out of contention automatically become sellers or do nothing instead of looking for deals to get a jump on the next year at deadline over waiting til off season...
But
As to what the Mets did, it hardly ever done..

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Not that this is a big secret...

Just in case there was any question at this point, even Cubs manager Joe Maddon is openly conceding that the Cubs figure to make some kind of trade before Monday’s July 31 Trade Deadline.
“If I had a bet, I would bet we would do something,” Maddon told MLB.com. “I don’t know if it will be an arm or not. I don’t know that. It’s a possible catcher, it’s a possible anything with our [front office]. I would imagine that something will happen.”
We know that the Cubs are in the market for a back-up catcher, as the front office has been pretty transparent about that. Further, while the bullpen has been excellent in the aggregate this year, they haven’t yet established in a clear way who the reliable 7th and 8th inning guys are going to be. Even if that’s not a type the Cubs target in the trade market, you could also pick up a quality reliever for depth right now, and then when rosters expand in September and the full 40-man is available, you can have a very robust bullpen. If you wait past July 31, acquiring a player becomes much more difficult because of the waiver process in August.

Link