Trade deadline banter

[DanTown]

Joe begging for a lefty out of the pen by going to Duennsing last night.

 

[Diehardfan]

Joe begging for a lefty out of the pen by going to Duennsing last night.

Maybe. But I will say that he's been far better than I ever expected him to be.

 

[CSF77]

I read that bit. I think the catcher from Philly will end up a Cub.

Verlander is not a main target.

BP help always is nice but I don't see this big target.

 

[CSF77]

Joe begging for a lefty out of the pen by going to Duennsing last night.

He has Montgomery now

 

[CSF77]

Honestly with Zast back pitching in form and Tseng being dominate that adds 2 quality arms in Sept. Butler most likely back with Pena. So depth will be there.

But they do need a high leverage arm for the series. Reed might be a ok target if they are looking at renting.

 

[chibears55]

I wouldnt be surprise to see Dillon Maples up at some point next month..

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[beckdawg]

So maybe I'm crazy but I sorta feel like the cubs are more in on Gray than it probably appears. What strikes me is that no one seems to be jumping to pay Oakland's price. Most of the rumors I've read suggest no one is giving up their top guys for him. Think it basically comes down to NY. If they don't budge on price I think the cubs likely have as much of a shot as anyone because Houston is in division thus difficult to deal with, Atlanta is 5 games under .500, Milwalkee is probably a year away with the prospects they'd have to give up, and the dodgers are probably better served with a rental. In other words, I could see the market for Gray being weaker than it may seem.

And given the relationship theo/billy have, if a trade with NY falls apart it wouldn't take long for chicago and oakland to piece together a deal. Theo could probably say pick your package of guys not on the major league team. I'm not sure the cubs could get a trade done without either a Happ or a Baez but think anyone else in their farm system is fair game. And while it does lack star power, something like Candelario + Alzolay + Clifton + say Zagunis isn't that terrible of an offer because all 4 are quite close to the majors and all 4 can probably start/be in the rotation on a bad team.

I just feel like the longer this plays on the better it is for the cubs. We're ~48 hours away from the deadline. If something doesn't happen in the next 24 hours Oakland is going to start to look like a team between a rock and a hard place.

 

[CSF77]

I wouldnt be surprise to see Dillon Maples up at some point next month..

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Matt Carasiti Is more likely. Maples still is on a learning curve.

 

[CSF77]

So maybe I'm crazy but I sorta feel like the cubs are more in on Gray than it probably appears. What strikes me is that no one seems to be jumping to pay Oakland's price. Most of the rumors I've read suggest no one is giving up their top guys for him. Think it basically comes down to NY. If they don't budge on price I think the cubs likely have as much of a shot as anyone because Houston is in division thus difficult to deal with, Atlanta is 5 games under .500, Milwalkee is probably a year away with the prospects they'd have to give up, and the dodgers are probably better served with a rental. In other words, I could see the market for Gray being weaker than it may seem.

And given the relationship theo/billy have, if a trade with NY falls apart it wouldn't take long for chicago and oakland to piece together a deal. Theo could probably say pick your package of guys not on the major league team. I'm not sure the cubs could get a trade done without either a Happ or a Baez but think anyone else in their farm system is fair game. And while it does lack star power, something like Candelario + Alzolay + Clifton + say Zagunis isn't that terrible of an offer because all 4 are quite close to the majors and all 4 can probably start/be in the rotation on a bad team.

I just feel like the longer this plays on the better it is for the cubs. We're ~48 hours away from the deadline. If something doesn't happen in the next 24 hours Oakland is going to start to look like a team between a rock and a hard place.

I've noticed that Happ has been out of the line up a few days now. I'm wondering if they are testing if they can get by with out him.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me but it would have to be Happ or Baez and Happ is currently more expendable of the two.

Now if it is worth it? Honestly I'm not sure. Happ has the makings of a superstar. 30 HR's maybe his avg per while switch hitting. So honestly in a few years we maybe saying a all star for a #3. Right now though the need is there and the depth is also.

 

[chibears55]

I've noticed that Happ has been out of the line up a few days now. I'm wondering if they are testing if they can get by with out him.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me but it would have to be Happ or Baez and Happ is currently more expendable of the two.

Now if it is worth it? Honestly I'm not sure. Happ has the makings of a superstar. 30 HR's maybe his avg per while switch hitting. So honestly in a few years we maybe saying a all star for a #3. Right now though the need is there and the depth is also.

Happ in a 3 for 22 slump, sure it was just to give him a couple days..
He in lineup tonight

I'd be very surprise if anyone on current 25 besides Caratini and maybe Almora gets traded now..

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[beckdawg]

I've noticed that Happ has been out of the line up a few days now. I'm wondering if they are testing if they can get by with out him.

Honestly it wouldn't shock me but it would have to be Happ or Baez and Happ is currently more expendable of the two.

Now if it is worth it? Honestly I'm not sure. Happ has the makings of a superstar. 30 HR's maybe his avg per while switch hitting. So honestly in a few years we maybe saying a all star for a #3. Right now though the need is there and the depth is also.

I'd rather see them move Baez. He probably has a higher upside but he's far too inconsistent for me. He can be nothing for a month then be an MVP caliber bat. While it would create an issue with regard to your back up SS, Russell is super young and honestly you can probably live with someone like Zobrist or La Stella there for a few games if you need to give him a day off or conversely you could call someone from AAA up.

All that being said, I'm not convinced it is going to take Happ/Baez. Gio Gonzo with similar control was traded for A.J. Cole, Tommy Milone, Derek Norris and Brad Peacock. That's not a huge return for a guy with similar upside/control. And that's not really even hindsight as I think none of them were really highly regarded prospects. Think Cole/Norris were fringe top 100 guys. Milone was a top 20 org pitcher and Peacock don't think was much of anything. That's why I think if a deal falls through with NY Oakland may be in a pickle and may end up taking MLB ready players since they seem pretty set on dealing him.

 

[beckdawg]

Happ in a 3 for 22 slump, sure it was just to give him a couple days..
He in lineup tonight

I'd be very surprise if anyone on current 25 besides Caratini and maybe Almora gets traded now..

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I can't see them dealing Almora because Happ really shouldn't be a starting CF. There's a reason they want him at 2B. They are obviously making the CF thing work with all their moving parts but I don't think you want to deal Almora to "fix" that log jam. Think the move is Baez or Happ.

 

[DanTown]

He has Montgomery now

Not going to try and burn Montgomery for a batter or two. I think Joe would really love a LOOGY for September and potentially a series with the Nationals. Duensing doesn't really do that. Koji is a guy like that but he simply is terrible without good rest. Neither guy (LOOGY or Dunsening) makes the playoffs roster IMO.

 

[DanTown]

Assuming the Yankees had taken Schwarber over Torres/McKinney for Miller and then you deal Torres/arm for Gray

Zobrist - 2B
Bryant - 3B
Rizzo - 1B
Contreras - C
Happ - LF
Heyward - RF
Russell - SS
Almora/Jay - CF

Baez - Utl

Lester
Quintana
Gray
Arrieta
Lackey/Hendricks

Miller
Davis
Uehera
Strop
Rondon
Montgomery

 

[beckdawg]

Not going to try and burn Montgomery for a batter or two. I think Joe would really love a LOOGY for September and potentially a series with the Nationals. Duensing doesn't really do that. Koji is a guy like that but he simply is terrible without good rest. Neither guy (LOOGY or Dunsening) makes the playoffs roster IMO.

I'm not sure how big a deal a loogy is. Davis and Edwards have great splits both ways. Strop is also killing lefties this year at .153/.231/.203. As you mention Koji's been great in the past vs lefties. Also I don't see why you think Duensing wont make the playoff roster. He's been fantastic and I'm not sure who you're taking over him. Even if they get another bullpen arm you're moving Grimm out of the BP before Duensing. Davis, Edwards, Strop and Montgomery give you 4 really strong guys vs lefties. I think the cubs wouldn't hate having another guy vs Grimm but i think it's likely behind catcher in their priority list.

 

[chibears55]

I can't see them dealing Almora because Happ really shouldn't be a starting CF. There's a reason they want him at 2B. They are obviously making the CF thing work with all their moving parts but I don't think you want to deal Almora to "fix" that log jam. Think the move is Baez or Happ.

I did say maybe [emoji51]lol

I'd be surprise if anyone got moved now...

I actually think their looking to make one small package deal with guys in system to a team that can offer a reliever with their back up catcher ..

Tigers Marlins Mets

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[beckdawg]

I did say maybe [emoji51]lol

I'd be surprise if anyone got moved now...

I actually think their looking to make one small package deal with guys in system to a team that can offer a reliever with their back up catcher ..

Tigers Marlins Mets

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I think they are in a pretty good position to see what the market dictates. I agree C is probably their biggest "need" but even that's pretty superficial. However, I think if the right situations fall in place they are going to be prepared. It's one of the reasons I'm glad they made the Q move when they did because now they can sit back and focus on finding good deals rather than being pressured.

 

[CSF77]

I think they are in a pretty good position to see what the market dictates. I agree C is probably their biggest "need" but even that's pretty superficial. However, I think if the right situations fall in place they are going to be prepared. It's one of the reasons I'm glad they made the Q move when they did because now they can sit back and focus on finding good deals rather than being pressured.

Agree with that.

Caritini and Candy are ideal trade chips but all you are getting back are Montgomery and Montero types for those potatoes.

 

[DanTown]

I'm not sure how big a deal a loogy is. Davis and Edwards have great splits both ways. Strop is also killing lefties this year at .153/.231/.203. As you mention Koji's been great in the past vs lefties. Also I don't see why you think Duensing wont make the playoff roster. He's been fantastic and I'm not sure who you're taking over him. Even if they get another bullpen arm you're moving Grimm out of the BP before Duensing. Davis, Edwards, Strop and Montgomery give you 4 really strong guys vs lefties. I think the cubs wouldn't hate having another guy vs Grimm but i think it's likely behind catcher in their priority list.

The need for a C in the playoffs is reduced because you're not going to sit Contreras. I think they need a legit backup C for September but it's not like you're going to invest a ton in a C behind a guy like Contreras.

With regards to Dunsening, 80% of his PA have come in low leverage situations. I'd be shocked if he's going to spend most of the year mopping up but then gets called on in the playoffs. I mean, you really need a LOOGY for a series against the Nationals when you need to go to someone to get Murphy/Harper out in say the 5th or 6th.

 

[beckdawg]

The need for a C in the playoffs is reduced because you're not going to sit Contreras. I think they need a legit backup C for September but it's not like you're going to invest a ton in a C behind a guy like Contreras.

With regards to Dunsening, 80% of his PA have come in low leverage situations. I'd be shocked if he's going to spend most of the year mopping up but then gets called on in the playoffs. I mean, you really need a LOOGY for a series against the Nationals when you need to go to someone to get Murphy/Harper out in say the 5th or 6th.

You still have low leverage situations in the playoffs. I largely see him as this year's travis wood. Maddon didn't use Wood in high leverage either in the playoffs but he was still there. As for C, I'm sure they wont pay much but they seem to be targeting a ton of defense only C which makes sense.