Training Camp - Day 4

[modo]

Are you sure? You can't compare QB statistics across eras. This is a passing league and everyone's numbers are something that would have been all pro 30 years ago. You can only compare how good they were relative to other QBs at the time.

What was Trubisky's rate+ in 2018 compared to McMahon's in 1985? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that McMahon was top 10 in '85.

McMahon had 3 seasons with a better rate+ than Trubisky last year.

Cutlers first 2 years in Denver were slightly better, then all down hill.

Grossman was never close.

 

[TL1961]

No worries. I was assured that after a year in the system this wouldn't be an issue in 2019. It has nothing to do with Trubisky maybe just not being a very accurate passer beyond the chains. Should be fine.

Any updates on the rain?

Well, it seems the "journalist" tweeted after ONE short ball, and then proceeded to let us know the next three were on the money.

A tweet for every snap - WTF!

 

[modo]

Well, it seems the "journalist" tweeted after ONE short ball, and then proceeded to let us know the next three were on the money.

A tweet for every snap - WTF!

Is that like a chicken in every pot?

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

McMahon, from what I understand obviously I wasn’t alive back then, was a decent to good QB who just couldn’t stay healthy.
Edit: it’s also worth mentioning in the 3 seasons McMahon had a higher Rate+ he played in 9, 11, and 6 games those seasons. So it’s a relatively small sample size.

 

[playthrough2001]

Are you sure? You can't compare QB statistics across eras. This is a passing league and everyone's numbers are something that would have been all pro 30 years ago. You can only compare how good they were relative to other QBs at the time.

What was Trubisky's rate+ in 2018 compared to McMahon's in 1985? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that McMahon was top 10 in '85.

I'm sure because I watched every game of his Bear career. He played behind the best offensive line in football with one of the greatest players of all time but was still only pedestrian with limited arm strength. Plus, he could never stay healthy. They could have won in '85 with Fuller.

I felt he and Ditka were the reasons they only won one SB. I was hoping they would draft Marino in '83 with their second first round pick.

 

[HeHateMe]

McMahon, from what I understand obviously I wasn’t alive back then, was a decent to good QB who just couldn’t stay healthy.

He was a master at reading defenses.

 

[modo]

McMahon’s passes looked like injured ducks but they found the spot they needed to go to.

 

[Les Grossman]

Riddick is such a Bears homer.

 

[baselman1974]

I'm sure because I watched every game of his Bear career. He played behind the best offensive line in football with one of the greatest players of all time but was still only pedestrian with limited arm strength. Plus, he could never stay healthy. They could have won in '85 with Fuller.

I felt he and Ditka were the reasons they only won one SB. I was hoping they would draft Marino in '83 with their second first round pick.

McMahon was drafted in 1982. It was impossible for Bears to draft 2 qbs in first round in a row. Especially the first rounder in 1983 was Jimbo Covert.

 

[playthrough2001]

McMahon had 3 seasons with a better rate+ than Trubisky last year.

Cutlers first 2 years in Denver were slightly better, then all down hill.

Grossman was never close.

You saw McMahon play. What did your eyes tell you?

 

[Novoitus]

Many posters here are "afraid" to say t his, but I'm not. Here it fucking goes:

If Trubisky is successful at all, I'm going to be pissed.

 

[playthrough2001]

McMahon was drafted in 1982. It was impossible for Bears to draft 2 qbs in first round in a row. Especially the first rounder in 1983 was Jimbo Covert.

They had two first round picks in 1983. Marino was still on the board when they selected at 18.

 

[baselman1974]

Many posters here are "afraid" to say t his, but I'm not. Here it fucking goes:

If Trubisky is successful at all, I'm going to be pissed.

Why? At least an explanation is warranted.

 

[bearmick]

You saw McMahon play. What did your eyes tell you?

I'm obviously quite a bit younger than you but from the extensive amount of McMahon's play that I've seen, I don't recall him missing as many open targets as Trubisky.

 

[Spankypants]

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And looks like Willy Nelson from the other end.

 

[playthrough2001]

I'm obviously quite a bit younger than you but from the extensive amount of McMahon's play that I've seen, I don't recall him missing as many open targets as Trubisky.

The Bears could run the ball on anybody at will in those days. His receivers were always open.

 

[modo]

You saw McMahon play. What did your eyes tell you?

I think it is too early to compare the two. McMahon commanded the teams respect and knew defenses better.

Trubisky is more athletic but has a ways to go on reading defenses.

 

[playthrough2001]

I think it is too early to compare the two. McMahon commanded the teams respect and knew defenses better.

Trubisky is more athletic but has a ways to go on reading defenses.

I absolutely agree that McMahon could read defenses and he knew were the ball should go.

 

[Bort]

I'm sure because I watched every game of his Bear career. He played behind the best offensive line in football with one of the greatest players of all time but was still only pedestrian with limited arm strength. Plus, he could never stay healthy. They could have won in '85 with Fuller.

I felt he and Ditka were the reasons they only won one SB. I was hoping they would draft Marino in '83 with their second first round pick.

I'm glad that we have a new training camp thread each day because they all go wildly off topic by mid afternoon.

Also, you're nuts if you think McMahon was the reason they only won one Super Bowl. With a healthy McMahon, they win again in 86, and it's not McMahon's fault that Charles Martin literally body slammed him on his throwing shoulder as he was walking back to the sidelines in that game in 86.

 

[Bearly]

I'm sure because I watched every game of his Bear career. He played behind the best offensive line in football with one of the greatest players of all time but was still only pedestrian with limited arm strength. Plus, he could never stay healthy. They could have won in '85 with Fuller.

I felt he and Ditka were the reasons they only won one SB. I was hoping they would draft Marino in '83 with their second first round pick.

You mean like they beat Miami... Oh wait! How about the Vikings game Fuller started and McMahon talked his way into while injured? See what Fuller says about it. http://www.espn.com/chicago/85bears/regular?id=5401532