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soriano and byrd dont really have a "ceiling" anymore..atleast in regards to potential considering they are both well over 30 and declining...

does colvin have a higher ceiling "productivity" wise over soriano and byrd? hard to really say when you're comparing completely different age groups...


if i'm looking long term..i'll take colvin over those two..

Bingo

That's what the Cubs need to be looking at, 2013 and beyond, not even 2012.

Does that mean the Cubs shouldn't pursue Fielder?

No, it means that the Cubs should go on a free agent bonanza like they did in 07 because that plan didn't work then, and won't work now.
 

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:rolleyes: really waldo?

byrd is a good leader...and every team needs some leadership(and its hard to say where our leadership really is right now)..im hoping in the future(maybe near future) that castro assumes this role..but as of now i feel byrd is a veteran that can relied on(although he may be average..along with wood in the bullpen..frankly i want to him to retire a cub..he can be a good mentor to marshall and cashner)
 

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A Leader in the clubhouse is NOT an ingredient to winning a title.

You can have a bunch of cancers on the team, and still win the world series. that has been documented many times.
 

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A Leader in the clubhouse is NOT an ingredient to winning a title.

You can have a bunch of cancers on the team, and still win the world series. that has been documented many times.

I disagree but I'm done with this...it can go on forever. We disagree and that happens all the time. Something to move on from.
 

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A Leader in the clubhouse is NOT an ingredient to winning a title.

You can have a bunch of cancers on the team, and still win the world series. that has been documented many times.

i want to see yo evidence foo:shifty:
 

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Maybe Byrd can have an "injury" so BJax and his (as of the 6th inning) .316 AVG and prob over .400 OBP now can play... has more power and speed, and better D than Byrd too...
 

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Fisch,

The key to a free agent bonanza is getting the right players.
True, but besides Fielder, I don't see anyone else worth overpaying for. :shrug:
 

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Tex can't lose a starter as that's their weakest position. They'll overpay him and he'll accept the contract before he hits FA.

Isn't that what everyone said about Cliff Lee last season? Look they didn't even bother to approach Wilson about an extension until a couple of days before the season started without his agent. I just don't see why Wilson doesn't at least test the waters. Texas might offer way more than it is worth to sign him, but I don't see why a 31 on the brink of perhaps his only big payday would be in a rush to sign with a team that didn't make it a priority to resign at the beginning of the season.
 

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What is with all the Barney and Colvin love?

If they are both starters for the Cubs next year I am going to be an extremely unhappy guy.
 

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What is with all the Barney and Colvin love?

If they are both starters for the Cubs next year I am going to be an extremely unhappy guy.

Agreed. I don't mind Barney starting at 2B given his plus defense and cheap cost if it means that they can go out and get a big time free agent or two. However, Barney isn't the longterm answer at either middle infield spot fulltime.

Colvin might be useful especially in a platoon, but to pencil him in as an everyday player based on what we've seen at the big league level is very premature or asking for another hole at a premium offensive spot.
 

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Agreed. I don't mind Barney starting at 2B given his plus defense and cheap cost if it means that they can go out and get a big time free agent or two. However, Barney isn't the longterm answer at either middle infield spot fulltime.

Colvin might be useful especially in a platoon, but to pencil him in as an everyday player based on what we've seen at the big league level is very premature or asking for another hole at a premium offensive spot.

I could LIVE with that but only if he hit 8th in the lineup every day.

I can't wait til Jackson is up. He's mashing at Iowa right now.
 

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I could LIVE with that but only if he hit 8th in the lineup every day.

I can't wait til Jackson is up. He's mashing at Iowa right now.

The Cubs don't really have a leadoff hitter that isn't already considered a 5th outfielder.

288 isn't a :turrible: average.
 

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I could LIVE with that but only if he hit 8th in the lineup every day.

I can't wait til Jackson is up. He's mashing at Iowa right now.

You must not read the game threads where I am constantly bemoaning Quade's lineups with Barney hitting 2nd. If he is buried at 7th or 8th, then I don't think he is a problem.

Jackson has every indication of being a real good player for us, but I don't mind finding out more about Colvin now when it doesn't mean anything. This is also why I wouldn't be in a rush to trade Byrd because I think the best realistic lineup next year will involve Byrd in RF and Jackson in CF.
 

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The Cubs don't really have a leadoff hitter that isn't already considered a 5th outfielder.

288 isn't a :turrible: average.

Batting average is only one component of a player's offense, and the rest of Barney's numbers are pretty terrible. Especially the most important number if you are going to hit at the top of the lineup which is OBP.
 

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Batting average is only one component of a player's offense, and the rest of Barney's numbers are pretty terrible. Especially the most important number if you are going to hit at the top of the lineup which is OBP.
Ideally you'd like Barney near the bottom of the order, but I don't think it's a problem he's hitting 2nd.
 
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