What is the fascination on this board with Mahomes?

[bearmick]

I do not disagree with your thought on Great QB's getting to and winning super bowls, however if you do not see a great QB at #3 being available what are you to do? Take a mediocre one anyway?? Even though there will be plenty of mediocre ones later in the draft. Especially when you are passing on potential world beater talent at another very important position?

It all comes down to the assumption some of you are making that every QB in this draft is mediocre. I completely disagree. I don't even think it's a weak class, far less the historically awful one that some people are trying to say. I think Watson and Kizer have serious impact talent and Trubisky matches up solidly with most draft classes' pocket passers.

I think some people aren't grasping how rare of an opportunity this is for the Bears. Barring another year of ridiculous injury luck, they're probably closer to .500 than top 3 pick. I don't know why you think that the QB talent that's still sitting there in the middle of the round next year is going to be better than the best of this years' class.

 

[WindyCity]

Cool. Want all the Air Raid QB's who put up stupid numbers but weren't good pros?

What specifically does Mahomes do that translates well to the NFL level?

What about his game, talents, fundamentals, experience, play style, says "I'm going to be a franchise QB?"

He is physically more gifted than your average noodle armed pansie that plays in that system.

After that you are projecting it all.


And people are worried about Watson's technique.

 

[FirstTimer]

Would you take Jared Goff or Tyson Jackson?

I would take Goff.


Defensive draft picks miss as well.

Nah. Defensive picks don't miss. The Bears at #3 are choosing between a dice roll and a sure fire All pro defensive player.

This is literally the false choice people have set up in their minds.

 

[FirstTimer]

It all comes down to the assumption some of you are making that every QB in this draft is mediocre. I completely disagree. I don't even think it's a weak class, far less the historically awful one that some people are trying to say. I think Watson and Kizer have serious impact talent and Trubisky matches up solidly with most draft classes' pocket passers.

I think some people aren't grasping how rare of an opportunity this is for the Bears. Barring another year of ridiculous injury luck, they're probably closer to .500 than top 3 pick. I don't know why you think that the QB talent that's still sitting there in the middle of the round next year is going to be better than the best of this years' class.

Next year's class could be pretty damn good.....like 1999/1983 hype good.

 

[tgmxd]

Trying not to get too mentally attached to any of these guys because all that matters is what Pace thinks.

It's possible Pace could not view of any of the top guys as franchise QB's but think Mahomes has a real chance to be special if he sits for a year or two. So then you could justify drafting him and signing a guy like Tyrod Taylor.

Do I see it? Nah. But all that matters is what Pace sees. He just better not fuck it up.

 

[bearmick]

You don't have to draft him at 3.

I know and I don't get it at all. They've already busted out with a receiver at 7 overall a couple of years ago. They've missed on plenty of first round picks and the world goes on.

What gets me is all the assuming - assuming that all these defensive players are going to be all pros while all the QBs are going to be busts. None of us knows either of these things.

What we do know is that landing a franchise QB is more valuable and important than ANY defensive prospect, yet people seem to want to wait for some completely perfect, flawless QB to fall to us with the 15th pick in 2018/19, like that's going to happen.

It's like Goose telling Iceman to take the damn shot.

"I don't know, I don't like it, it doesn't look good".

"It doesn't get to look any better than this!!"

 

[westcoast bear fanatic]

Lack of winning is a concern but you like Mahomes the best..despite him having a career sub .500 record?!

This is what I'm talking about now with Mahomes. Narrative is off the rails.

"Mahomes wins games!"

"I like Kizer but his lack of winning is a concern....Mahomes has the most upside!"

What's even funnier is that the same crowd will say Watson is a flawed prospect who is like Tebow because he wins in college. Apparently Watson is limited to only winning in college so don't bother drafting him because he will be a loser in the NFL.

So what is it people, you want a winning record or losing record in college if that is your watermark. Some consistency would be nice.

 

[FirstTimer]

Next year's class could be pretty damn good.....like 1999/1983 hype good.

To this point..if all the guys below progress/improve or even put together years like they had this year...here are some of the top names for next years draft at QB.

Luke Falk
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Jake Browning
Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph

The first six have legit 1st round grade potential.

 

[FirstTimer]

What's even funnier is that the same crowd will say Watson is a flawed prospect who is like Tebow because he wins in college. Apparently Watson is limited to only winning in college so don't bother drafting him because he will be a loser in the NFL.

So what is it people, you want a winning record or losing record in college if that is your watermark. Some consistency would be nice.

The Watson-Tebow comparisons are atrocious.

 

[Smokey Robinson]

The problem is that it was against the worst defenses you have ever seen in a system that seeks to pad QB stats over winning games.

I don't think he ended up playing a single top 25 defense.

He didn't.

 

[westcoast bear fanatic]

You want to know the honest reason people like him?

You don't have to draft him at 3.


Everyone is terrified of drafting a QB at 3. If Mahomes climbs the QB rankings and becomes a top 10 pick everyone will hate him again.

Agreed.

The question that must be asked then is what is the dropoff from a Kizer/Watson at #3 to a Mahomes at #36 vs a Safety or Pass Rusher at those positions and add a little weight to the QB assessment because of the importance of the position and lack of one on this team.

If you want upside I see no better than Kizer/Watson, for different reasons, and think the dropoff to the next tier is pretty big.

 

[bearmick]

What's even funnier is that the same crowd will say Watson is a flawed prospect who is like Tebow because he wins in college. Apparently Watson is limited to only winning in college so don't bother drafting him because he will be a loser in the NFL.

So what is it people, you want a winning record or losing record in college if that is your watermark. Some consistency would be nice.

Can't have Kizer, he didn't win enough.

Watson won? he must be Tebow then.

People are going out of their way to justify not taking a shot at a top QB. It's almost like they don't want their identity as one of the NFL's most QB-tarded teams to change.

Cubs becoming winners enough of an identity crisis for one city to handle or something? I don't get it?

 

[Washington]

Yea, but would you take Jared Goff over Dick Butkus?

This might be sacrilegious, but I'd rather have had Namath, picked 12th, over Butkus.

 

[FirstTimer]

Agreed.

The question that must be asked then is what is the dropoff from a Kizer/Watson at #3 to a Mahomes at #36 vs a Safety or Pass Rusher at those positions and add a little weight to the QB assessment because of the importance of the position and lack of one on this team.

If you want upside I see no better than Kizer/Watson, for different reasons, and think the dropoff to the next tier is pretty big.

And again, this is all assumed off of our boards and opinions.

I will continue to say this, if Pace tabs Mahomes as "his guy". Fine. Do whatever it takes to get him. Just get him. I won't "agree" Mahomes is "the guy" but whatever. Just get him and move on. If Pace exits this draft with Myles Garrett and "his guy" in the 2nd or 3rd round. So be it. I'll be ecstatic.

 

[FirstTimer]

This might be sacrilegious, but I'd rather have had Namath, picked 12th, over Butkus.

Not really. Namath was a transcendent generational player at the most important position in all of sports. Namath has become underrated in this era because too many people just box score read and don't understand how to adjust for era.

 

[Washington]

And again, this is all assumed off of our boards and opinions.

I will continue to say this, if Pace tabs Mahomes as "his guy". Fine. Do whatever it takes to get him. Just get him. I won't "agree" Mahomes is "the guy" but whatever. Just get him and move on. If Pace exits this draft with Myles Garrett and "his guy" in the 2nd or 3rd round. So be it. I'll be ecstatic.

So many people are having a hard time understanding the common message you stated that so many who want a QB early agree with.

 

[FirstTimer]

Can't have Kizer, he didn't win enough.

Watson won? he must be Tebow then.

People are going out of their way to justify not taking a shot at a top QB. It's almost like they don't want their identity as one of the NFL's most QB-tarded teams to change.

Cubs becoming winners enough of an identity crisis for one city to handle or something? I don't get it?

Kizer didn't win enough(13-12 as a starter)....but Mahomes is exciting and just wins games(13-16 as a starter)...

Watson put up video game numbers too against the best defense in the NCAA twice.....He's Tebow!!....But Mahomes did it against no top defenses, LOOK AT HIS NUMBERS!

 

[Washington]

Not really. Namath was a transcendent generational player at the most important position in all of sports. Namath has become underrated in this era because too many people just box score read and don't understand how to adjust for era.

I concur as I rate the QB position higher in importance than LB and think quality LBs are easier to find. I loved watching Namath and Unitas when I was a kid.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Lack of winning is a concern but you like Mahomes the best..despite him having a career sub .500 record?!

This is what I'm talking about now with Mahomes. Narrative is off the rails.

"Mahomes wins games!"

"I like Kizer but his lack of winning is a concern....Mahomes has the most upside!"

as i said in another thread, one played for ND and the other for texas tech. theres a big fucking difference. and Mahome kept them in just about every game, every game was a shoot out with his team playing zero D and he hung in there even in games they shouldnt have even been in... even won a few of them.

i like kizer, theres just a lot of risk there to take at 3 imo, just to inconsistent, but i wouldnt hate the pick. id be optimistic about it. at least if it wasnt left up to fox and co to develop him.

 

[FirstTimer]

as i said in another thread, one played for ND and the other for texas tech. theres a big fucking difference.

Not really. Both defenses were utter shit.

Did you watch any of ND this year?

Kizer was just as productive as he was last year when the team went to the Fiesta Bowl and nearly made the playoffs.

and Mahome kept them in just about every game, every game was a shoot out with his team playing zero D and he hung in there even in games they shouldnt have even been in... even won a few of them.

How the hell do you think ND was in games?

ND lost five of it's games by a combined 18 points with the defense giving up 37PPG in those losses.

Kizer's total production in those losses:
1,398 yards passing
14 TD's
2 INT's

272 yards rushing
4 TD's