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Right. But the point is, had it been Carcillo... those penalties would have been considered "stupid and undisciplined" by a lot of those that are defending Toews.
They are either stupid and undisciplined or not... doesn't matter who the player is.
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Not me. Everyone continuously bitches about how soft this team is year in and year out. Then when they stick up for themselves, who'm ever it is, they fucking whine it was stupid.
I'm guessing most missed the flying Thornton elbow just seconds before the Toews crosscheck which then Thornton DOVE on. Lucky that elbow didn't connect or Toews might have missed the rest of THIS season, just like he did LAST season.
Remind me who made Joe pay for that last year? I know, no one.
Like I said before the DUMB penalty was from the other idiot on the OTHER team, IE Demurs. That could have possibly cost them the game.
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He had enough, crosschecked Jumbo Joe pretty good, and then dropped the gloves. As a result of Joe trying to take his head off again.
I find it absurd that people have a problem with this. So Toews should just never fight because he has had concussions? He has to show that he is not intimidated and that he will not put up with cheap shot attempts. He also knew he was already going into the box for the boarding, and took one of San Jose's best PP guys off the ice for the PP that was already coming.
This is no different than him going to the tough areas of the ice as far as risk of concussion is concerned. It's part of the game. More guys get concussions from checks than from fights.... Should Toews be fighting? No, not really. But considering the circumstances, there's nothing to ***** about here.
I find it absurd that people have a problem with this. So Toews should just never fight because he has had concussions? He has to show that he is not intimidated and that he will not put up with cheap shot attempts. He also knew he was already going into the box for the boarding, and took one of San Jose's best PP guys off the ice for the PP that was already coming.
This is no different than him going to the tough areas of the ice as far as risk of concussion is concerned. It's part of the game. More guys get concussions from checks than from fights.... Should Toews be fighting? No, not really. But considering the circumstances, there's nothing to ***** about here.
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at the end of the day the cheap players are still goung to take cheap shots at toews. he isnt intimidating anyone by dropping the gloves. jt is a lot of things but hes no no intimidating hockey fighter. i assume he knows this himself. it was a nice symbolic action by toews but by no means was it a game changer. no one in their rights minds can believe guys like thornton are going to change the way they play against toews. aint happening.
like all have said he can do what he wants to do but fans make up such phoney bullshit about why players do what they do. had nothing to do with the team or the game. there was no strategy involved and bo points being made. it was toews being pissed off and doing it for himself and to release his own frustrations and steam. thats what it was kids. trying to stretch and spin it into some sort of action for the team or something greater is such a load of garbage.
like all have said he can do what he wants to do but fans make up such phoney bullshit about why players do what they do. had nothing to do with the team or the game. there was no strategy involved and bo points being made. it was toews being pissed off and doing it for himself and to release his own frustrations and steam. thats what it was kids. trying to stretch and spin it into some sort of action for the team or something greater is such a load of garbage.
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It was because Joe tried to cheap shot him again. That's what it was.
He'd had enough. He didn't chose the spot, he had enough!
Toews has been being cheap shotted by other players for a long time without standing up for himself. IE Thornton and DOAN last year. Doan after Toews missed 20 some games from a concussion. From, yea Thornton.
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and i agree it was a moment of conpetitive anger and frustration and have no problems with that. im just so tired of people saying it was a fight with some sort of strategic nonsense attached. good on toews for sticking up for himself but no message was sent thats going to keep the cheap shots away. still going to happen with dicks like doan and thornton. im sure even toews knows it. we have all lost our shit on the playing field in sports. ive gone after guys bigger than me because they have played dirty. felt good to get the frustroation out and get the monkey temporarly off the shoulders. thats all it is though...not saying it didnt have to happen..or shouldnt have..thats all up to toews. people can just spare the over analysis about it being more than what it was.
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That's not the point.....
I'm also sure Toews' teammates disagree with you, but whatever you say. His team had no issues at all with what he did. They knew why he did it, understood, and made sure they killed those penalties off. You really think the captain doing that didn't send any kind of message to the team? Come on.
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lol.
I have no problem for players sticking up for themselves. My point is, Toews is lucky Thornton didn't connect considering Joe knows how to fight and has done it plenty of time.
I have no problem for players sticking up for themselves. My point is, Toews is lucky Thornton didn't connect considering Joe knows how to fight and has done it plenty of time.
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Telling it like it is... I'm with you. Or maybe we need another issue of "Soap Opera Weekly" lol!
I don't mind that Toews was blowing off some steam... we won the game so the penalties are all moot point now. I just hope it doesn't happen again (the awful penalties) in a game that actually matters -- with anyone on the team, not just Toews.
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Wow, really? If he got injured over a stupid fight and NEVER played again because of an injury he got from it, cut his already great career short, that's okay? Holy shit. Why should that be acceptable in any sport? Bobby Hull didn't leave the game because of a injury from a fight.
So what? They were among or the single most outhit team in the league the year they won the Cup, didn't seem to stop them then. The hardening of the glue? They were 10-0-3 going into that game. Toews is a fucking Conn Smythe winner, Olympic Gold winner, there's nothing for him to prove in a meaningless fight. And when I said play with fire, I didn't mean it the way you took it. I mean like in the saying "Play fire, you get burned". If you can eliminate the risk of head trauma by not fighting, especially when you don't fight anyway, why not do it? And especially when you have a history of problems with head trauma? I don't get that. That should take precedence over ANYTHING. Just because he plays physically without fighting, that doesn't mean add fighting to the list of things he should do. That doesn't mean add more risk.
Like it or not, fighting doesn't mean what it used to mean. You could say that's because of the instigator or because of other reasons, but those are all different arguments for a different thread. The point is he doesn't change anything for the better by doing that. Joe Thornton is still going to be Joe Thornton. You're never going to hear a team call out their captain over something like this. You're never going to hear it period, just because of the attitude the NHL still has towards and upholds with fighting. But if you just use common sense, and ask yourself, what is there to gain, what is there to lose, the answer should be clear.
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where in any of my posts esp the one you just quoted did i suggest that his team mates were mad at him? this is where i stop debating because its at the point where people are arguing against points i never made to begin with.
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Get over it, you are in the minority...his teammates don't even agree with you....Toews don't agree with you and I am riding with Toews and his teammates on this one...
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That doesn't make it a smart thing to do. The same was said about helmets. If only hockey players were allowed to criticize themselves or determine what's "right" or "wrong", it'd be a fucked up sport more than it is now.
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Gotcha, it does not matter that he gets abused in the head and neck area when in front of the net or along the boards 10-20 times a game, but heaven forbid he gets engaged in a fight once every three years because of the potential of head trauma.
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If you don't "quote" it those of us that are in peace won't have to read it.
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