Cubs hire Craig Counsell as manager

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knoxville7 said:
Cherry pick 1 thing to complain about despite just providing statistical proof that Ross pulled the right strings more times than not with the bullpen. You really are brane dead!
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Why don’t we just go on record?

Smyly lasted in the rotation too long. A month straight starts of getting shelled was enough and it went longer than that. Agree or disagree?

Stroman shouldn’t have came back last year, it was obvious he was done for the year and pitching him as a starter and a reliever hurt us. Agree or disagree?

Bellinger shouldn’t have been hitting down at 4 while he’s carrying the team for 2 straight months. It cost us runs and at bats and games with our only elite hitter losing at bats due to lineup turnover, agree or disagree?

Suzuki shouldn’t have hit 4th for 3 months when he was hitting like Jon Lester. (1 HR in 61 games and a .601 OPS). Agree or disagree?

I could go on and on. The point is, Hoyer looked at all of these moves and decided he couldn’t keep Ross at the helm.
 

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CSF77 said:
Actually MLTR has predicted the Cubs to target Chapman for 3B then resign Candy. Then the lefty starter from Japan and the relief pitching lefty from Japan.

They do that it could make a interesting off-season. It still leaves a trade with the Mets to target Alonso. That would make an interesting team.
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Chapman was horrible at the plate from May 10 to the end of the season.
 

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JustinSteeleCyYoung said:
The dbacks beat us out and took 6 of 7 from Ross’s Cubs with a significantly worse rotation and bullpen by any objective metric.
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You conveniently forgot that the Cubs lost their closer. And that your namesake starter was on fumes because he was pitching more innings than he ever had before.
 

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TL1961 said:
You conveniently forgot that the Cubs lost their closer. And that your namesake starter was on fumes because he was pitching more innings than he ever had before.
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I mean the Diamondbacks Marlins and Cubs were all flawed teams. Barely above average teams, I’d say.

But the Cubs had the most talent of the 3, and it’s not particularly close. The Diamondbacks pitching staff was 2 guys and a bunch of scrubs.

Once again, if Ross doesn’t hit Jon Lester Suzuki in the cleanup spot during May and June, they likely don’t lose all of those 1 run games, a few of them to the Marlins.

Suzuki was setting a record pace for stranded runners in those months and Ross kept him in the lineup like he’s Barry Bonds and gets to command a slump with no drop in the order.

Also, this whole argument is silly. Hoyer thought he was a liability and now he’s gone.
 

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JustinSteeleCyYoung said:
I mean the Diamondbacks Marlins and Cubs were all flawed teams. Barely above average teams, I’d say.

But the Cubs had the most talent of the 3, and it’s not particularly close. The Diamondbacks pitching staff was 2 guys and a bunch of scrubs.

Once again, if Ross doesn’t hit Jon Lester Suzuki in the cleanup spot during May and June, they likely don’t lose all of those 1 run games, a few of them to the Marlins.

Suzuki was setting a record pace for stranded runners in those months and Ross kept him in the lineup like he’s Barry Bonds and gets to command a slump with no drop in the order.

Also, this whole argument is silly. Hoyer thought he was a liability and now he’s gone.
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I commented on the pitching available in September, and you responded with a comment about Suzuki and where he batted in May.
 

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TL1961 said:
I commented on the pitching available in September, and you responded with a comment about Suzuki and where he batted in May.
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Hoyer probably made this decision based on Ross’s overall decision making. Not splitting hairs as to whether he gave Smyly a few too many starts or should have used Stroman after seeing his stuff was lifeless in bullpen sessions. And whether it was valuable to push Assad out of the rotation the last few starts for bullpen help when he was our best starting pitcher at the time.

From what I saw, Keegan Thompson was a better option for high leverage innings after his call up then guys like Stroman or Smyly or Wesnecki.

Ross went with the latter and the latter grouping consistently blew the game and then he did it again and again and again.

Maybe Hoyer thought Counsell would have done things differently (not really a maybe)
 

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JustinSteeleCyYoung said:
I mean the Diamondbacks Marlins and Cubs were all flawed teams. Barely above average teams, I’d say.

But the Cubs had the most talent of the 3, and it’s not particularly close. The Diamondbacks pitching staff was 2 guys and a bunch of scrubs.

Once again, if Ross doesn’t hit Jon Lester Suzuki in the cleanup spot during May and June, they likely don’t lose all of those 1 run games, a few of them to the Marlins.

Suzuki was setting a record pace for stranded runners in those months and Ross kept him in the lineup like he’s Barry Bonds and gets to command a slump with no drop in the order.

Also, this whole argument is silly. Hoyer thought he was a liability and now he’s gone.
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While Seiya did go completely in the tank in June and his July wasn't much better, his numbers in May were great. Like .319/.417/.560 great. And the Cubs had 6 1 run losses in May and none in June. Those weren't on Seiya.

I'm not going to defend Ross. I think his leash next season would have been very short and at some point in between the season ending and November 1st Jed truly thought Counsel was an upgrade he couldn't let get away without making a play for him. I just hope it has the same meaning with pursuing players in FA and trades. It's done and crowing about who was right or wrong about him still being with the team is pointless. We're Cubs fans, or we're supposed to be. We'll have plenty of shit to groan about soon enough.
 
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Brewers offered 5.5 million per (which would have been highest in mlb at the time) so the cubs ponied up the extra 2.5 to get their guy. Of course an extra 2.5 mill is nothing to the big market cubs playing in cash cow wrigley field, heh.

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Oh My Goodness: Craig Counsell is Leaving, and It's for the Cubs

For a few minutes Monday afternoon, Brewers fans could exhale with a feeling of relief. The Mets hired Carlos Mendoza, not Craig Counsell, to manage the team in 2024. Then, the other shoe fell. Counsell is gone, to take the helm of (of all teams) the rival Chicago Cubs.
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