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So we just went through a season where Freeman got pinched for a 2nd PED violation expecting him to be gone and Tre ate shit to injury again...yet you still don't think that inside linebacker is a need? FFS people. Wake up and smell the roses.
 

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Yeah, and it's better to bail 1 year early than 1 year late on players. But you'd have to basically spend Massie's money to replace him or Sitton's cap savings money to replace him. Or you'd have to use the 8th or 39th pick. But then that takes away from the ability to shore up CB, WR, OLB. If you get a couple of decent WRs, re-sign Fuller and Amukamara (really don't want to do with the latter), and focus on CB early in the draft, then I can see re-investing on the OL. The only issue there is that decisions on Sitton and Massie have to be made before all of the other decisions, meaning you'd be cutting them without knowing if you can get replacements for them while also filling the other needs. It would be a ballsy move by Pace to re-invest in the OL right now with all the other needs and Long's health.


Yeah i don't see a big enough reason to do much if anything to our o-line this offseason. If anything then just replace Massie but the best part of his game is run blocking so maybe after our new o-line coach gets his hands on him and the others he could be fine for what they want from him. If they wanna make a change at RT then i'm fine with that but we'll be fine at all 4 other spots and having E.Kush to backup. Trubisky is very mobile and they'll have him running around a lot anyway. See what these guys do next year and if any of them don't produce then make that change the following offseason, we have plenty of bigger needs at other positions to use our money and draft picks on this offseason.
 

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I'm not proposing that Hiestand tries to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. No doubt the Bears need an OT to eventually take over for Massie, just not sure if there will be one at 8.

As for the interior a lot of questions need to be answered: will Long be healthy, do they like Whitehair at Center or Guard, what do they think of Jordan Morgan.
 

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So we just went through a season where Freeman got pinched for a 2nd PED violation expecting him to be gone and Tre ate shit to injury again...yet you still don't think that inside linebacker is a need? FFS people. Wake up and smell the roses.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty on here that have said ILB is a need this offseason, i know i have. Trevathon is great when healthy and really like Kwiatkowski as long as he's playing with a great ILB next to him cause his pass coverage isn't very good but he's a beast at tackling. Pretty much the same goes for C.Jones as i said for Kwiat but Jones is a free agent. Would absolutely love to get N.Bowmann who's a free agent and obviously played for Fangio in San Fran and also like D.Davis and a few others that are free agents this offseason.
 

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This system will stress our OTs more than the previous.

There is less help being provided in both the run and pass game.
 

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Cool story bro, have you now upgraded your offensive line needs to all 5 players yet? Hell you might as well go for broke and say we need 6 so we have a new swing tackle or guard too.
 

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Some options for Bears and their o-line.

https://www.chatsports.com/chicago-...offseason-targets-the-offensive-line-14237832


The 2017 Chicago Bears were, in a word, messy. They had problems at nearly every position on the team. They had no number one wide receiver, their quarterback play was inconsistent, and their defense was racked by injuries. Now, they are poised to hire a coach we hope will help turn them into winners in short order. It can be done. A new head coach can make a world of difference. Just look at what happened with the Los Angeles Rams. They turned it around in one season and maybe the Bears can too.

But of course, there is a talent gap that the Bears must deal with. They have a lot of areas on the team that need help. Chicago may not be able to get them all taken care of in one season so don’t expect a big turnaround from them unless a huge talent overhaul can be done. And that’s not likely to happen. But the Bears can start to do some rebuilding and fixing to help themselves get into a better position. But where should they start?

We all know that the success of any team begins and ends with their offensive line. It’s those guys in the trenches who should take the credit for what success a football team can have. If a quarterback gets good protection and has time to get the ball out to his receivers, a lot of great things can happen. If you give Mitchell Trubisky time, he could be dangerous.


The Bears have the basis for a good offensive line but lack some depth. Injuries hit them hard this year and their depth wasn’t as strong as it should have been. That and there were some problems with the starters that they had. Cody Whitehair struggled at center and when he had to move to guard, his replacement, Hroniss Grasu, was less than adequate. Both Kyle Long and Josh Sitton spent time on the sidelines missing significant time.

While Bobby Massie has been able to stay healthy, right up until the end of the season, the Bears could use a right tackle that is more dynamic and a little more of a better pass protector. He will need to be replaced soon so Chicago should look towards doing that.

The Bears need to do something to shore up the line. But what can they do?

The Bears need to look at some draft prospects on the offensive line as well as some free agents to help them shore up the group. Someone to replace, eventually, Sitton would work as well as someone to replace Massie. Perhaps what could happen is Whitehair could replace Sitton and someone could be drafted, or a free agent could be brought in to play center. That’s not out of the question.

Let’s take a look at a few solutions that the Bears could use to help fix their problems on the offensive line. They could use free agency or the draft to fill their holes and make improvements. We will spend two slides looking at draft prospects and two slides looking at free agent prospects. We will look at starting center, starting right tackle and backup guard prospects.



The 2018 NFL Draft is not that far away and teams are already starting to get some idea of their needs and who they would like to look at further. The Bears should be looking at offensive linemen in this draft and could easily take one in the second to middle rounds. I doubt that they would take one with their first-round selection because they are going to want to take an impact player there.

So who are some of the second to mid-round prospects the Bears might be interested in at the right tackle position? College tackles can play either right or left tackle but are better suited for one side or the other. They might be relegated to playing guard in the NFL as well. The Bears don’t need a left tackle because of Charles Leno Jr., is adequate and he did sign that big contract. They need a right tackle though and could think about taking one in the second or later rounds.


Three of the potential prospects, with middle round grades at the time that this was written include Georgia’s Isaiah Wynn, Ohio State’s Jamarco Jones, and Oregon’s Tyrell Crosby. The Bears could take any one of these guys and either plug them in at right tackle or sign Massie to another contract and let them learn from him. That’s a very likely scenario. The Bears need to start doing something for the future at this position. They cannot let it wait another year.

Depending on what happens with Eric Kush’s injury and Jordan Morgan’s development, the Bears may want to look at adding some developmental depth at the guard position. They wouldn’t need to look at drafting a guy early but could, instead, try to get a guy later on.

Some of the later round prospects that they may be interested in include Tyrone Crowder of Clemson, Idaho State’s Skyler Phillips and Stanford’s David Bright. These players need some development but could eventually be decent backups or short-term starters at the guard position.



I am going to spend this whole slide on centers. I think that Bears’ fans can relate to what they saw out of the center position this season. Quite often, there were miscues by Bears’ centers, which included Cody Whitehair and Hroniss Grasu, that gave the Bears’ offensive line some problems. It was strange because after playing center well the previous season, Whitehair seemed to fall apart and not play nearly as well in 2017. When he was forced to move to guard because of injuries, he played good. If he plays well at guard, then that’s where he needs to stay.

Grasu is undersized at center and hasn’t played well. Granted, he has been hurt but when he’s been in the lineup, he has struggled. He may not be around when the smoke clears and training camp is over this coming season. Chicago needs to plan for the center position because it affects the offense much more than anyone realizes. We saw what it did in 2017 and we don’t want the same thing to happen in 2018.

Should the Bears want to draft a center, which is possible, then they might let Grasu walk. What they might be able to do is sign a center in free agency and then draft one to develop and replace the player they sign. We will look more at free agent possibilities in another slide but for now, let’s think about who the Bears could draft at center to help themselves out.

The 2018 NFL Draft has some decent center prospects in it and one of these prospects may work out well for the Bears. You wouldn’t expect them to draft a center in the first couple rounds, but they might think of taking someone with a later round pick to develop. This player wouldn’t be a starter right away, so the Bears don’t want to have that big of an investment through the draft in him. After looking at some of the centers available, there have been three identified as possible fits for the Bears. They include Auburn’s Austin Golson, Iowa’s Sean Welsh (a guard who could convert to center) and Washington’s Coleman Shelton.

Any of these three guys would help the Bears out, but not right away.

If Chicago were smart, they would draft a center and find a free agent to have the rookie learn from. Moving Whitehair to one of the guard spots should Sitton retire would work. They might also want to keep Whitehair as the center then have a draftee learn behind him while we wait for Sitton to retire. And it’s always a good idea to have some extra depth in case of an injury.



If Ryan Pace has had some weakness, it’s been with free agents. He has swung and missed on guys like Pernell McPhee and Markus Wheaton. He has hit on others, like Prince Amukamara and Akiem Hicks so his choices aren’t all that bad.

The Bears must get some help on the offensive line through free agency this coming offseason. The center position is a must and they could use some help at right tackle. Getting a free agent or two to help them than drafting to fill the positions for the future would be their best move. But first, let’s look at the depth players that the Bears currently have on the roster and see if they might be worth keeping.

We all remember what happened to Eric Kush in training camp. He tore his hamstring and spent the season on injured reserve. He is poised to be back and is under contract. Look for him to compete for a backup guard spot and quite possibly make the team. Then you have guys like Tom Compton and Bradley Sowell who are both under a one-year contract. What the Bears decide to do with them, before free agency, will dictate what they do in the draft.

Let’s take a quick look at right tackle prospects in free agency this offseason. The Bears could decide to let Massie go and bring someone else in. If they do that, they will have a choice of a few right tackles in this draft.

Some of the bigger names on the list of free agent right tackles include Cincinnati’s Eric Winston, Denver’s Allen Barbre, and Houston’s Breno Giacomini. The problem with these guys is they are all over 30 years old and don’t have a lot left in them. But if any one of them could prove themselves better than Massie then the Bears might need to go with one of those guys at least for a year.



I have talked a lot about what to do at center in the draft. Now it’s time to look at what to do in free agency. The Bears could let Grasu go and move Whitehair thus paving the way for someone to take over at center. They won’t want to put a rookie in at center but could decide to get a free agent.

There are 15 free agents that the Bears could consider at the center position. Guys like Tampa Bay’s Evan Smith, Baltimore’s Ryan Jensen or Washington’s Tony Bergstrom may be of some interest to the Bears. Or they could go after one of the younger guys who have the experience to help them get by at center.


The guard position may need some attention and there will be some solid free agent guards available in free agency. The Bears might show some interest in the likes of former Chicago Bear Matt Slauson, Cincinnati’s Andre Smith or Arizona’s Alex Boone. Any of these three could help the Bears add some depth at the guard position. The Bears will need it as injuries have struck both Sitton and Long. Long has missed the better part of the past two seasons. Sitton is good to miss a game or two every season and may be close to retirement.

If the Bears don’t bring back the guys they used for depth this year then they will need to look at some of the guys above to help them fill some backup roles.
 

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So we just went through a season where Freeman got pinched for a 2nd PED violation expecting him to be gone and Tre ate shit to injury again...yet you still don't think that inside linebacker is a need? FFS people. Wake up and smell the roses.

Trevathan was very good last season.

Kwiatowski is a good player.

If Jones leaves then we may need some depth. I don’t see a need for a starter.
 

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I love how people want to get rid of Sitton despite him being the 3rd rated guard in the league when the guy who would replace him in free agency would cost as much if not 1 to 2 million more per year than keeping Sitton...for worse performance. If that isn't the definition of stupidity I don't know what is.
 

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Cool story bro, have you now upgraded your offensive line needs to all 5 players yet? Hell you might as well go for broke and say we need 6 so we have a new swing tackle or guard too.

We need 2. RT and OG/C.

But hey we already screwed up one QB letting in get his head kicked in, why not go round 2.
 

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I love how people want to get rid of Sitton despite him being the 3rd rated guard in the league when the guy who would replace him in free agency would cost as much if not 1 to 2 million more per year than keeping Sitton...for worse performance. If that isn't the definition of stupidity I don't know what is.

I don’t think you need to get rid of Sitton. They may choose to, the new system asks for the OGs to get out in front of a ton of screens.

But you need to have a plan in place for moving past him and for the fact that Kyle Long may miss time.

There is not a planet where Sitton is the 3rd rated OG.
 

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I don’t think you need to get rid of Sitton. They may choose to, the new system asks for the OGs to get out in front of a ton of screens.

But you need to have a plan in place for moving past him and for the fact that Kyle Long may miss time.

There is not a planet where Sitton is the 3rd rated OG.

Sorry you're right, the number three stuck in my mind for the wrong reason. Sitton was the 3rd highest rated Bears player behind Hicks and Amos.
 

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Sorry you're right, the number three stuck in my mind for the wrong reason. Sitton was the 3rd highest rated Bears player behind Hicks and Amos.

I am fine with keeping Sitton as long as we are developing another mid round pick behind him.

But Massie is going to get exposed in this system.
 

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I am fine with keeping Sitton as long as we are developing another mid round pick behind him.

But Massie is going to get exposed in this system.

I am not opposed to upgrading Massie (relegating Massie to swing tackle) and getting a guard to eventually replace Sitton. Just for the sake of playing devil's advocate here though, is there a way of seeing how often a rookie right tackle played above Massie's protection on the season?
 

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Also take it for what its worth as this was through 12 games of the season:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-25-offensive-linemen-of-the-2017-nfl-season

"10. JOSH SITTON, G, CHICAGO BEARS – 86.6 OVERALL GRADE

PFF Elite Stat: Sitton has allowed just 10 QB pressures on 335 snaps in pass protection.

There is no better pass blocking guard in the game than Josh Sitton, and despite battling injuries along with the rest of the Chicago offensive line, he has once again been excellent in that area when on the field, but has been better than he has in the past as a run blocker, paving the way for Jordan Howard on the ground. Sitton has surrendered 10 total pressures in 12 games and had some dominant run blocking performances."

By that list he would be the 4th highest graded guard behind Brandon Brooks, Zach Martin and David Decastro who were 3, 2, and 1 respectively.
 

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I don’t think you need to get rid of Sitton. They may choose to, the new system asks for the OGs to get out in front of a ton of screens.

But you need to have a plan in place for moving past him and for the fact that Kyle Long may miss time.

There is not a planet where Sitton is the 3rd rated OG.

This is an interesting point. Nagy and Hiestand have a couple months to evaluate tape of Whitehair at center and guard. If they decide this is a key to make the offense work, then I could see them moving Whitehair to OG full-time and finding another center. Get a starting caliber C and you probably only have to worry about just Long getting injured rather than the likelihood that both guards are hurt at some point (it's naive to think they'll both stay completely healthy next year).
 

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I think Bears will need to hang on to Sitton with Long's health a question mark and Morgan a big question mark.
 

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This is an interesting point. Nagy and Hiestand have a couple months to evaluate tape of Whitehair at center and guard. If they decide this is a key to make the offense work, then I could see them moving Whitehair to OG full-time and finding another center. Get a starting caliber C and you probably only have to worry about just Long getting injured rather than the likelihood that both guards are hurt at some point (it's naive to think they'll both stay completely healthy next year).

They might leave him there, Reid has always used super athletic Cs.

Jason Kelce and Mitch Morse are both elite athletes for position.
 

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I would have a tough time taking a Guard at #8, especially when it is one of the positions where you can develop a late round guy at with your awesome new OL coach.

I'm not excited about the thought of a CB at 8 either. Would rather they re-sign Fuller and Prince and draft a guy to develop there in later rounds.

Pass Rusher and WR are what I'm hoping for and become more likely if Pace can trade back.

I prefer drafting a shutdown guy. "A guy to develop" usually ends up being "just a guy".

As much as we all feel Fuller was much better than he had been in quite a while, opposing teams scouting and game-planning to face the Bears decided to throw to his side more frequently than going the other way. Repeatedly.

He's not a true # 1 shutdown CB by any means.

I'd be happy retaining him (assuming it's a fair price), but drafting a CB and essentially making Fuller your #2 would result in a much better defensive backfield. Kidding yourself that he is a #1 leaves us vulnerable. Until we are actually shutting down good QB's, we need improvement. With or without Fuller and Prince, we need a true #1 CB. If he's there at 8, take him. Fitzpatrick would really give us a solid backfield.

I'm not saying that's the only choice. FA offers a couple options, and would alleviate the need to draft. But we need to improve there.
 

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I am not opposed to upgrading Massie (relegating Massie to swing tackle) and getting a guard to eventually replace Sitton. Just for the sake of playing devil's advocate here though, is there a way of seeing how often a rookie right tackle played above Massie's protection on the season?

Massie needs to be replaced. This is not really debatable, is it? We cannot open a season with him as starter.
 

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