IST: Chicago Cubs (1-1) at Colorado Rockies (2-0)

[chibears55]

Now we see if they actually have a closer without the drama
Come on Rondon

 

[beckdawg]

Im sorry, its hard to respond to a book. Let me paraphrase, Watkins was not rated higher, Alcantara did not break out until that season. Baez was just in his first full year of minor league ball. Lemahieu was a major leaguer who had hit at every level and could play almost every position on the baseball field and play it well. Darwin Barney could not hit a lick.

Ian Stewart wore out his welcome in Colorado. Tulo hated him and said he was only looking out for himself. He was a selfish player that only cared about making his money. He proved with the Cubs later. Lemahieu was never given a chance and I believe would have beat out Barney in the spring. The Cubs traded him because he never developed the power people thought would happen with his large frame. Theo Epstein even said that they missed badly on that trade. So, in essence, saying a guy who is a GG and is only 26 years old has minimal value is not accurate. Ian Stewart did absolutely jack shit for the Cubs. Nothing. So, yes, no was an apporpriate response.

And at the end of the day you're lamenting trading a player with a career .281/.318/.364 a .298 wOBA and a 71 wRC+. Barney is a career .245/.294/.336 with a .278 wOBA and a 70 wRC+. If he beats out Barney so what? He basically is Darwin Barney. Maybe you argue he's a marginally better hitter. But any contending team would be looking to upgrade from him at any chance they get.

I just don't see the point in being pissed off about trading a glorified bench player. He's probably best suited for a defensive replacement off the bench on a contending team. Those players aren't hard to find.

 

[DrGonzo]

Does anyone actually want to win this game?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Above .500

 

[DrGonzo]

Oh, I guess the Cubs wanted to win after all.

 

[TL1961]

Nice to get that one.

 

[chibears55]

Yes yes yes

Cubs are above .500 this late in season. ..lol

 

[TL1961]

Above .500

I'm afraid to ask the last time we could say that. But it doesn't matter. No looking back.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Yes, I remember. The 12 posts whining about a three year old trade of a nonessential asset had me on the edge of my seat. Too bad it was in the game thread, instead of discussion about the game.

That trade impacts today's game, just as the guy who hit the go ahead HR for the Cubs used to be a member of the Rockies.

 

[JosMin]

Play the music!!!!! Fly the flag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#CubsWin

[video=youtube;A9XtDyDUjIU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9XtDyDUjIU[/video]

 

[Shawon0Meter]

 

[SilenceS]

Yes, I remember. The 12 posts whining about a three year old trade of a nonessential asset had me on the edge of my seat. Too bad it was in the game thread, instead of discussion about the game.

Its a message board. Ignore it if you dont like it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

And at the end of the day you're lamenting trading a player with a career .281/.318/.364 a .298 wOBA and a 71 wRC+. Barney is a career .245/.294/.336 with a .278 wOBA and a 70 wRC+. If he beats out Barney so what? He basically is Darwin Barney. Maybe you argue he's a marginally better hitter. But any contending team would be looking to upgrade from him at any chance they get.

I just don't see the point in being pissed off about trading a glorified bench player. He's probably best suited for a defensive replacement off the bench on a contending team. Those players aren't hard to find.

Even Epstein didn't like this trade. What does that say about you defending it?

 

[Parade_Rain]

Its a message board. Ignore it if you dont like it.

Nah. That's too easy.

 

[SilenceS]

Boy, I did not like what Maddon did against Cargo. He put that shift on and all Cargo had to do was slap and bunt the ball towards third and he beats it by a mile. I bet his coach will say something to him.

 

[chibears55]

Boy, I did not like what Maddon did against Cargo. He put that shift on and all Cargo had to do was slap and bunt the ball towards third and he beats it by a mile. I bet his coach will say something to him.

Rizzo had the same situation yesterday. ...

I thought he would bunt too to get run home but instead swung away....

 

[Ari Bear]

Nice come from behind win! Not something this team would have done last season. First week of the season in the books and it's looking promising so far. I just think they are gonna get better as the season goes on.
Go Cubs go!! :cubs::woot:

 

[beckdawg]

Even Epstein didn't like this trade. What does that say about you defending it?

Didn't like it how? Presumably you've read something I haven't. I'm assuming it's a hindsight type comment where he now knows what happened with Stewart. I'm not suggesting it was a good trade for the cubs. I'm suggesting the logic behind making the trade made sense. Two entirely different premises. Imagine for a moment that Stewart played in such like he did in 2010 one year prior to the trade. That season he hit .256/.338/.443 with 18 HRs. Clearly Stewart wasn't past his prime so it isn't that outrageous to suggest that return is possible. At the time of the trade the cubs had nothing at 3B. As I said before, the right move undoubtedly would have been not to let ARam walk. But presumably there were money issues at play there. So if you assume that possibility is out, what do you do at 3B? Valbuena had literally just been picked up off the scarp heap and they had no idea he'd play well. You had Vitters who they were shifting to OF anyways. And that's it.

Seriously, if you don't retain ARam then the cubs had nothing at 3B and judging by the way they spent in 2012, they weren't going to throw money at the problem either especially after paying to make Zambrano go away. Simple fact of the matter is they had to start someone. It was marginally reasonable to hope for Stewart to rebound toward his 2010 levels and given their option had he done so that would have been an ok trade.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Didn't like it how? Presumably you've read something I haven't. I'm assuming it's a hindsight type comment where he now knows what happened with Stewart. I'm not suggesting it was a good trade for the cubs. I'm suggesting the logic behind making the trade made sense. Two entirely different premises. Imagine for a moment that Stewart played in such like he did in 2010 one year prior to the trade. That season he hit .256/.338/.443 with 18 HRs. Clearly Stewart wasn't past his prime so it isn't that outrageous to suggest that return is possible. At the time of the trade the cubs had nothing at 3B. As I said before, the right move undoubtedly would have been not to let ARam walk. But presumably there were money issues at play there. So if you assume that possibility is out, what do you do at 3B? Valbuena had literally just been picked up off the scarp heap and they had no idea he'd play well. You had Vitters who they were shifting to OF anyways. And that's it.

Seriously, if you don't retain ARam then the cubs had nothing at 3B and judging by the way they spent in 2012, they weren't going to throw money at the problem either especially after paying to make Zambrano go away. Simple fact of the matter is they had to start someone. It was marginally reasonable to hope for Stewart to rebound toward his 2010 levels and given their option had he done so that would have been an ok trade.

:cubspalm:

The rare mistake Epstein admitted came in December 2011 when the Cubs traded outfielder Tyler Colvin and infielder D.J. LeMahieu to the Rockies. Another happened when the Cubs left Ryan Flaherty unprotected in the Rule 5 draft and the Orioles signed the second baseman, who started in the playoffs.

"We fell into some familiar traps,'' Epstein said.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...30227_1_theo-epstein-cubs-fans-rooftop-owners

 

[justaChifan]

Dexter got the best of Latroy. Latroy?
Good pick up with Fowler.