Ryan Dempster to Rangers (officially official)

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Hendricks stuff doesn't good either given the link that was posted here. Said his fastball sits in the 87-89 range. This isn't a good piece. Villanueva on the other hand is a guy with a high ceiling.
 

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Goldstein is saying this a pretty good trade for the Rangers. Dempster did hurt the Cubs, but I have a hard time being upset about that because we got Vizcaino.

His Tommy John history kind of concerns me, but from what I have read the kid has potential to be a stud. So hoping for the best on this one.
 

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he is kinda right though. projections and potential can be hit or miss in both directions good and bad
 

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http://www.chicitysports.com/2012/07/31/ryan-dempster-finally-traded/

According to a report from ESPN, the Chicago Cubs have traded RHP Ryan Dempster and cash to the Texas Rangers for prospects 3B Christian Villanueva and RHP Kyle Hendricks. We thought Dempster would have been traded weeks ago, but the trade never came together. However, Dempster would have been traded on July 23rd to the Atlanta Braves for 22-year old RHP Randall Delgado and another player. But Dempster used his NTC and declined the trade. Dempster was holding out for LA to be re-united with ex Cub Ted Lilly, but LA’s offer wasn’t too good. So, Texas jumped it and snagged him. It was reported earlier today, that Dempster would waive his NTC to the Rangers.

Dale Sveum and Ryan Dempster spoke about the trade rumors yesterday, and to shortened it up … both said they will be surprised if he pitches today.

The Cubs were holding out for Dodgers’ top pitching prospects Zach Lee and Allen Webster, but the Dodgers were contempt in not trading them. The Cubs did have a better deal with Atlanta, but at least the Cubs got something for him instead of nothing. As there were rumors, the Cubs could keep Dempster.

Dempster was in his final year of his contract with the Cubs and a trade makes a lot of sense. Dempster is a 35-year old who is having one of the best seasons of his career. He’s top in era this year, not only the NL but the whole MLB too. Dempster could have became a free agent before this season, but decided to exercise his 14 million player option.

Villanueva is a 21 year old who is playing for High A. He is a good defender, can hit and shows pop at times. In 100 games (425 at-bats), he’s batting .285 with 19 doubles, 1 triple, 10 home runs, 59 rbi’s, 24 walks and has struck out 83 times. He’ll either report to Dayton or Tennessee, but my guess it Daytona.

Hendricks is a 22-year old who is pitching for High A. To me, he’s a too old for High A. But maybe he’ll shine and we’ll see him in Chicago sometime. I think there’s a really good chance he’ll join the Smokies (Double A). This year so far, Hendricks is 5-8 with a 2.82era in 20 game s(all starting). He also has walked 15 and struck out 112 in 130.2 innings. That walk to strikeout ratio is great.

There were also rumors that the Cubs could have traded OF Alfonso Soriano in a deal with Dempster. But that was wiped out after the Dodgers acquired Shane Victorino from the Philadelphia Phillies. Soriano, also said he would probably accept a trade to the Dodgers. It would have been nice to see what the offer could have looked like, but Soriano is more than likely to stay put now. Soriano also said he will not waive his NTC to the San Francisco Giants. It may make you think is there was a offer in place and Soriano declined it? We don’t know, but why would this one team come out. So, just like that, Dempster was traded by his self to a ‘myster team’ of somewhat.

Dempster will join Geovany Soto is Texas whom was traded last night.

Other notes:
**The Cubs have not called OF’s Brett Jackson or Dave Sappelt.
**The Cubs; however, have called up C Welington Castillo to take Geovany Soto’s spot, RHP Casey Coleman to take Ryan Dempster’s start today and IF Adrian Cardenas to take Reed Johnson’s spot on the roster.

I wish Dempster the best of luck with the Rangers!
 

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he is kinda right though. projections and potential can be hit or miss in both directions good and bad

No he is not right that potential means nothing. Potential means everything in terms of the deals the Cubs are making right now. No one here is saying anyone we got today is a future Hall of Famer, but one line potential means nothing is both stupid and pointless in this thread.
 

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Standard comments about everyone from Goldstein though I've listened to him last night talking about the moves last night.

The big pieces were Vizcaino and Villanueva. They aren't clear cut blue chips without flaws, but they both have a lot of upside and are nice adds to the system. The other guys are just arms to fill in a system that is devoid of pitching particularly at the upper levels. That is the thumbnail version. I will try to get something more detailed together by the end of the night.
 

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In defense of Hendricks, he was drafted just last year as a college junior. That's why he's so old and only at high A. It's nothing out of the ordinary, as the Cubs have several recently drafted college guys at high A and even Low A as well.

Last Wednesday and Thursday, I went to the Midland Rockhounds games. Frisco was in town, the Rangers AA affiliate. I did not get to see Brigham. I have season ticket seats about 8 rows behind home plate. The two rows directly in front of me are usually reserved for scouts. Sometimes they are filled, sometimes they are not. Wednesday, there were a handful of scouts on hand to watch Profar and Olt. One of which was a Rangers scout. I tend to have discussions with these guys when I get the chance, just to pick their brains on certain guys and who to watch out for in their teams' systems. At one point, the Rangers scout was speaking with another scout about guys they thought were going to be promoted to the Texas League, and I believe Hendricks' name came up... but I can't be absolutely certain on that.

As for his stuff, there were no discussions there... as Hendricks wasn't on my radar. What I see on BBA is kind of the same stuff said about Casey Coleman. I was very disappointed with Coleman, but whatever. Hendricks looks to be a control-type, to-contact, groundball pitcher. He throws 5 pitches, and his best might be his slider and changeup. Apparently his FB is rated slow but good, and he throws both the 2-seam and 4-seam. His curve is above average. Interesting pick with probably a back of the order ceiling. Probably a good innings eater if he keeps his control and command high.
 

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And the other shoe has dropped so to speak on this one. Nefatli Feliz is having TJ surgery and is done for the year. There is a reason the Rangers upped their offer for Dempster.

Bottomline is that this isn't a bad haul. It isn't a homerun like Delgado, but you have to consider the fact that we don't get Vizcaino if Dempster went there. So the trade off was Delgado or Vizcaino and Villanueva.
 

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In defense of Hendricks, he was drafted just last year as a college junior. That's why he's so old and only at high A. It's nothing out of the ordinary, as the Cubs have several recently drafted college guys at high A and even Low A as well.

Last Wednesday and Thursday, I went to the Midland Rockhounds games. Frisco was in town, the Rangers AA affiliate. I did not get to see Brigham. I have season ticket seats about 8 rows behind home plate. The two rows directly in front of me are usually reserved for scouts. Sometimes they are filled, sometimes they are not. Wednesday, there were a handful of scouts on hand to watch Profar and Olt. One of which was a Rangers scout. I tend to have discussions with these guys when I get the chance, just to pick their brains on certain guys and who to watch out for in their teams' systems. At one point, the Rangers scout was speaking with another scout about guys they thought were going to be promoted to the Texas League, and I believe Hendricks' name came up... but I can't be absolutely certain on that.

As for his stuff, there were no discussions there... as Hendricks wasn't on my radar. What I see on BBA is kind of the same stuff said about Casey Coleman. I was very disappointed with Coleman, but whatever. Hendricks looks to be a control-type, to-contact, groundball pitcher. He throws 5 pitches, and his best might be his slider and changeup. Apparently his FB is rated slow but good, and he throws both the 2-seam and 4-seam. His curve is above average. Interesting pick with probably a back of the order ceiling. Probably a good innings eater if he keeps his control and command high.

One source had him sitting at 90 with touching 93, but most places seem to be going with the Baseball America report of 87-89. This a very fringe starter, but if you pile up enough of these guys maybe you luck into a Jose Quintana like pitcher.
 

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One source had him sitting at 90 with touching 93, but most places seem to be going with the Baseball America report of 87-89. This a very fringe starter, but if you pile up enough of these guys maybe you luck into a Jose Quintana like pitcher.

Greg Maddux could throw in the 90s, right?
 

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One source had him sitting at 90 with touching 93, but most places seem to be going with the Baseball America report of 87-89. This a very fringe starter, but if you pile up enough of these guys maybe you luck into a Jose Quintana like pitcher.

Keep in mind, guys like Maddux and Glavine worked around the 89-92 range. Not saying Hendricks will be anything close to those guys, but it does happen. With potential fireballers like Shark and Vizcaino in the rotation at some point, having a control-guy that hasn't been prone to HR , has a 7.7 K/9 rate... and over 7 Ks per BB could be a good guy to have behind them. It throws teams off a bit to have a junkballer behind fireballers. He may not have much of a real shot to make it, but I'd say he's a real sleeper.

It would definitely be nice to have a guy that doesn't walk himself into trouble... and can still strike a lot of guys out.
 

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