Schefter - Bagent Time? EDIT: vets request Bagent, failed CTE test BAGENTMAINA TAKES OVER CHICAGO

[GoDJtop10]

So why didn't Justin Fields beat out a washed up Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh with everything being equal for them?

Mike Tomlin named Russell the starter and never wavered from that proclamation. Justin was the starter while Russell was out injured, but Russell reclaimed his rightful position when he recovered.

End of story.

 

[jive]

So why didn't Justin Fields beat out a washed up Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh with everything being equal for them?

I don't think it ever was an open competition. Tomlin had stated the plan was for Wilson to start and for Justin to learn from him.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I don't think it ever was an open competition. Tomlin had stated the plan was for Wilson to start and for Justin to learn from him.

Wilson wasn’t signing with Pittsburgh unless he had a promise to start. Tomlin still loves Fields though.

 

[TexasBearfan]

is the OC relieved of duties or fired?

 

[Moses Moreno]

So why didn't Justin Fields beat out a washed up Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh with everything being equal for them?

Russell isn't washed. Just a bad fit with Sean Peyton and fits what Pittsburgh wants to do like a glove.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

is the OC relieved of duties or fired?

He was fired, but not relieved of his duties.

 

[roadwarrior_joe]

Mike Tomlin named Russell the starter and never wavered from that proclamation. Justin was the starter while Russell was out injured, but Russell reclaimed his rightful position when he recovered.

End of story.

Why would this fan base take the decision made by a real coach since, well, this fan base has never seen decisions made by a real coach.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Russell isn't washed. Just a bad fit with Sean Peyton and fits what Pittsburgh wants to do like a glove.

Ya'll are going to discover oil with the way you're spinning yourselves into the ground with this BS.

But when you need to defend Justin Fields' ineptitude at all costs this will tend to happen.

 

[oso4lyf]

Ya'll are going to discover oil with the way you're spinning yourselves into the ground with this BS.

But when you need to defend Justin Fields' ineptitude at all costs this will tend to happen.

That's quite the spin from the L you took in this thread earlier.

 

[Myk]

Yet another MykTake that is aging like a fine wine. Has this fool been "right" about anything so far this season?

Are you psycho or stupid? Do you even know what "that aged well" means?
If they haven't put Bagent in AND Bagent taught Williams how to play that line doesn't apply here and won't until they do that. My take may "age well" after about 3 years.

I didn't say the Bears wouldn't put Bagent in, they started Haney. Martz was more qualified than any of these bums and actually believed Haney was the better choice.
I said starting Bagent won't teach Williams. It will only delay. If you play Bagent it's not to teach, it's to save injury.

I don't remember what your name was but I definitely remember getting tired of having the "you're a moron" reaction to every sentence you made up.

Players asking for Bagent does not age that. Players asking for Bagent and leaking that to the media says this team is lost

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Are you psycho or stupid? Do you even know what "that aged well" means?

I said starting Bagent won't teach Williams. It will only delay. If you play Bagent it's not to teach, it's to save injury.

Yeah, I know what you said. That is why I directly quoted you. If Williams isn't putting in the time and has lost the vets, then perhaps losing his job to Bagent will force Williams to work harder. It teaches Williams that he hasn't made it in the NFL yet, if that needs to be the lesson. Sorry if this is too complicated.

 

[BNB]

If it's true that players are asking for Bagent to start... the Bears are beyond fucked. The way it's looking right now, Caleb may not ever recover in Chicago. Even if there are coaching changes at the end of the season, if some of these vet players are still here and not on board with Caleb, there's gonna be a lot of animosity in the locker room.

We're gonna back here in 2 years talking about trading up for Arch Manning.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Oh, so you think Bagent is the next Tom Brady? Fine, after he wins 7 Super Bowls THEN he could teach a #1 draft pick. As a 2nd year UDFA who managed to do designed dump offs but failed at anything longer he has nothing. That you still can't understand the play calling that went on with Bagent is laughable.

You've already proven yourself to be a complete football idiot but this takes the cake.

Treating Williams like Bagent wouldn't be a bad thing but he's not going to learn that from the bench.

Do you really think that Bagent and the success he will have dumping off almost everything ... but quickly ... is not something that Caleb could learn from Bagent?

I am not saying that I want or expect Bagent to start but there are some serious flaws in Caleb's game that, while watching Bagent play, can make it to his conscience and become an important part of Caleb's game going forward.

Every successful QB has learned that a quick dump off is important to the success of the team. Now Caleb needs to be put in positions where his dump offs are not 100% predictable.

 

[onebud34]

This is most likely a smokescreen appealing to the fanbase since the backup is the popular QB.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

That's quite the spin from the L you took in this thread earlier.

There is no spin, Justin Fields will be on his third team next year.

 

[Myk]

Yeah, I know what you said. That is why I directly quoted you. If Williams isn't putting in the time and has lost the vets, then perhaps losing his job to Bagent will force Williams to work harder. It teaches Williams that he hasn't made it in the NFL yet, if that needs to be the lesson. Sorry if this is too complicated.

Still doesn't apply to what I said. Bagent going in to get calls catered for his noodle arm isn't going to teach Williams to not hold the ball too long.
What teaches Williams to not hold the ball is to call the plays for him that you would call for Bagent instead of plays where all the WRs are running long to develop routes.

I'm sorry that's too complicated for your pea sized psychotic brain. It's not rocket science, you saw it done with Bagent and that's why you have faith that he is anything but a noodle armed UDFA.

I'm all for changing the plays to be a Mac Jones short game. I would've been for that being done to Fields (although we saw enough from him that he would likely fail at it). If the problem is Williams wanting the big play don't have big plays until he learns to take small plays.
That is how you teach, not by sitting him behind a bad QB.

If you want to teach him by sitting you have a good QB to start, not Bagent or Glennon or any other crap ass player the Bears can come up with.

 

[Myk]

Do you really think that Bagent and the success he will have dumping off almost everything ... but quickly ... is not something that Caleb could learn from Bagent?

I am not saying that I want or expect Bagent to start but there are some serious flaws in Caleb's game that, while watching Bagent play, can make it to his conscience and become an important part of Caleb's game going forward.

Every successful QB has learned that a quick dump off is important to the success of the team. Now Caleb needs to be put in positions where his dump offs are not 100% predictable.

No I don't.
Why do you think watching Bagent have play calls to dump off blindly would teach better than giving Williams play calls to dump off blindly???

I can see it not calling that game with Fields because his short blind accuracy was questionable but they didn't teach him accuracy by sitting while Bagent played either.

Every successful QB has learned the quick dump off, so teach it to Williams. You won't do that for Williams sitting behind Bagent any more than Bagent taught Fields. Call that game for Williams if that's what you want to teach him.

Why do Bears fans want to keep doing the same thing and expect different results???

 

[Moses Moreno]

If it's true that players are asking for Bagent to start... the Bears are beyond fucked. The way it's looking right now, Caleb may not ever recover in Chicago. Even if there are coaching changes at the end of the season, if some of these vet players are still here and not on board with Caleb, there's gonna be a lot of animosity in the locker room.

We're gonna back here in 2 years talking about trading up for Arch Manning.

Caleb can shut it up with his play.

Keep on playing like Craig Krenzel and it'll get louder but if he makes plays it'll quiet down.

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

If it's true that players are asking for Bagent to start... the Bears are beyond fucked. The way it's looking right now, Caleb may not ever recover in Chicago. Even if there are coaching changes at the end of the season, if some of these vet players are still here and not on board with Caleb, there's gonna be a lot of animosity in the locker room.

We're gonna back here in 2 years talking about trading up for Arch Manning.

After they clean out this staff, the 2nd thing most important point of order this off-season would be getting rid of every veteran player who wanted Caleb benched. Hopefully, we can start with DJ Moore.

If the Bears fail Caleb Williams, there is a 99% chance that they will be boycotted by every top QB prospect for at least the next decade, and I wouldn't blame them at all for it.

 

[inchibearfan]

Still doesn't apply to what I said. Bagent going in to get calls catered for his noodle arm isn't going to teach Williams to not hold the ball too long.
What teaches Williams to not hold the ball is to call the plays for him that you would call for Bagent instead of plays where all the WRs are running long to develop routes.

I'm sorry that's too complicated for your pea sized psychotic brain. It's not rocket science, you saw it done with Bagent and that's why you have faith that he is anything but a noodle armed UDFA.

I'm all for changing the plays to be a Mac Jones short game. I would've been for that being done to Fields (although we saw enough from him that he would likely fail at it). If the problem is Williams wanting the big play don't have big plays until he learns to take small plays.
That is how you teach, not by sitting him behind a bad QB.

If you want to teach him by sitting you have a good QB to start, not Bagent or Glennon or any other crap ass player the Bears can come up with.

There were a lot of plays called last week that required time which should not have been called when the offensive line is this terrible. Some of it is Williams fault, but the play caller needs to force short quick routes to get that ball out. It was a dumpster fire for everyone.