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[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Ben Johnson signalled through the media that he wants stability and alignment with a GM. Bears are signalling back that if he brings his guy because he doesn't like Poles, they will play ball. The dance has begun.

It’s one thing to talk but another thing to actually play ball. Not saying it’s not true but I’m at the I’ll believe it when I see it mindset

 

[remydat]

Unless the new HC just hates Poles personality wise I see no reason why they would want Poles gone. Poles knows he has to give the coach the players he wants and if 2025 doesnt go as planned the new HC has an easy scapegoat in Poles.

Particularly if this will be my first time as HC, I would let Poles be my *****. The Shanny situation is different in that he was basically groomed to be a HC from since he was a kid and they were looking for a GM and HC at the same time.

The only candidate I see that I would expect to push for his own GM may be Vrabel.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Unless the new HC just hates Poles personality wise I see no reason why they would want Poles gone. Poles knows he has to give the coach the players he wants and if 2025 doesnt go as planned the new HC has an easy scapegoat in Poles.

Particularly if this will be my first time as HC, I would let Poles be my *****. The Shanny situation is different in that he was basically groomed to be a HC from since he was a kid and they were looking for a GM and HC at the same time.

The only candidate I see that I would expect to push for his own GM may be Vrabel.

You can't understand why a coach wouldn't want to be aligned with a gm with a similar mindset? You can't understand why a coach wouldn't want a new gm in his 2nd year who likely would want his own coach? You new to the nfl and how things work?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Oh, yeah, I want George wanting to learn and thinking he's more than just a fan so he can make even more decisions!

It's not an unreasonable expectation that the guy who is in charge knows a thing or two about a thing or two.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

You can't understand why a coach wouldn't want to be aligned with a gm with a similar mindset? You can't understand why a coach wouldn't want a new gm in his 2nd year who likely would want his own coach? You new to the nfl and how things work?

Dont ya think (Remy) that a new Gm who comes in will do everything he can for the new HC? Especially if they already have a relationship or similar mindset. There is no guarantee that Poles will be allowed to give everything to a new HC. Poles is clearly Warrens ***** right now.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

It's not an unreasonable expectation that the guy who is in charge knows a thing or two about a thing or two.

What do you want him to learn? Is there a “how to not be a shitty owner”’school or something?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Unless the new HC just hates Poles personality wise I see no reason why they would want Poles gone. Poles knows he has to give the coach the players he wants and if 2025 doesnt go as planned the new HC has an easy scapegoat in Poles.

Particularly if this will be my first time as HC, I would let Poles be my *****. The Shanny situation is different in that he was basically groomed to be a HC from since he was a kid and they were looking for a GM and HC at the same time.

The only candidate I see that I would expect to push for his own GM may be Vrabel.

If I was a new HC I wouldn’t be worried about scapegoats. I would be worried about having a GM that can provide me with a good roster to coach.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

What do you want him to learn? Is there a “how to not be a shitty owner”’school or something?

Maybe it could help him to better adapt, which was a criticism we've seen about George in this very thread. Perhaps it means we don't get guys like Ernie Accorsi or Bill Polian giving suggestions?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

What do you want him to learn? Is there a “how to not be a shitty owner”’school or something?

I'd like him to learn to quit firing coaches and gms separately and drafting qbs then firing coaches/gms the following year

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Maybe it could help him to better adapt, which was a criticism we've seen about George in this very thread. Perhaps it means we don't get guys like Ernie Accorsi or Bill Polian giving suggestions?

I just want to know where he goes to get said knowledge? I think at this point he’s not going to learn

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I'd like him to learn to quit firing coaches and gms separately and drafting qbs then firing coaches/gms the following year

I want him to cash out.

 

[Moses Moreno]

I just want to know where he goes to get said knowledge? I think at this point he’s not going to learn

Consultants who will gladly take his money for old & bad info.

 

[Black Rainbow]

Lol...read that tweet carefully and realize he didn't say anything definitively. It's a troll.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

If I was a new HC I wouldn’t be worried about scapegoats. I would be worried about having a GM that can provide me with a good roster to coach.

This is a very good point as well. As a new HC candidate I would not trust Poles to find the right players

 

[dennehy]

This is a very good point as well. As a new HC candidate I would not trust Poles to find the right players

Or to be around after my first year. New GM is gonna want new coach, most likely.

 

[SugabearMVP]

So what I understood from this writeup was:
- Bears already know who they want as HC
- But they will still interview many including Brown who they've already decided is not a serious candidate
- HC the Bears (not Poles) chooses has to want to work with Poles, or else Poles is out.
- Bears will screw up the GM search once again and we will be back to this exact scenario if new HC doesnt win in 3 years.

Welcome to the Bears!

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Or to be around after my first year. New GM is gonna want new coach, most likely.

And that’s where things become difficult. Warren came out and said they will be going all in on a HC this season. So if you keep Poles and then fire him next year then you will have to find a GM who is 100% ok with the newly hired HC. They won’t get the of a HC they just went all in for. So much easier to just get the if Poles too

 

[remydat]

You can't understand why a coach wouldn't want to be aligned with a gm with a similar mindset? You can't understand why a coach wouldn't want a new gm in his 2nd year who likely would want his own coach? You new to the nfl and how things work?

Think you missed the part where I said Poles will have to give the new HC whatever he wants ie they are aligned.

And the premise here is McCaskeys are willing to fire Poles if the HC demands it so no reason why the now 2nd year HC wouldnt get to pick his GM if Poles was instead fired after one year.

So unless Poles is a moron he should be telling the new HC he will get whatever he wants personnel wise which is pretty much what it seems Flus got.

 

[Les Grossman]

Or to be around after my first year. New GM is gonna want new coach, most likely.

Yeah for sure. It's kinda strange how tied the two positions have become in recent times. Like their jobs are somewhat connected, but also pretty different.

GM acquires the talent (with input from what schemes the coach is running)
HC implements the talent

Seems to me like you can judge them pretty independently so why are they so connected at the hip?

 

[remydat]

Dont ya think (Remy) that a new Gm who comes in will do everything he can for the new HC? Especially if they already have a relationship or similar mindset. There is no guarantee that Poles will be allowed to give everything to a new HC. Poles is clearly Warrens ***** right now.

If I was a new HC I wouldn’t be worried about scapegoats. I would be worried about having a GM that can provide me with a good roster to coach.

Poles would have to be a moron to not give a new coach whatever he wants personnel wise and no I dont Warren has any real say on the matter.

If you giving the HC the power to choose their GM then I would presume said HC is going to want final say on the draft and roster written into contract like Shanny had. Otherwise what's the point.